Genetic evidence for an East Asian origin of Chinese Muslim populations Dongxiang and Hui, R1a-M17

[Governor]

Do you know those people? As you said, Dongbeiren means "Dong(East).bei(North).ren(person)"
When we say " Han chinese," the Han means "Han dynasty."
When far north east mongoloid people says "Han," it means "great" like "Khan" of Ghengis Khan"
Thus, do you know whether they are minority or Han chinese?

My ex was a Dongbeiren, she told me her grand grandma was Manchu.I used to live in Shenyang 2 years, used live in China 6 years.

[zhaoyun]

Hui Moslems have distant Persian and Arab ancestors, but for the most part, are essentially very much alike the Han Chinese of their respective regions. For example, the Hui of Gansu are similar to Gansu Hans, and Fujian Huis are similar to Fujian Hans. This is what I've recognized myself since I've traveled to these different regions.

[zhaoyun]

My ex was a Dongbeiren, she told me her grand grandma was Manchu.I used to live in Shenyang 2 years, used live in China 6 years.

Han Chinese is just an umbrella term, it is more a political identity. The Hans of different regions are more similar to the minorities of their region than they are to the Hans across the country.

[Mingle]

As I know, Turkic/Turko-Persian/Whatever dynasties brought Islam to Indian subcontinent not Arabs.

Arab traders from Gujarat spread Islam to Southeast Asia. Arabs settled in South Asia too. The earliest invasion by Muslims in South Asia (Sindh) was by Muhammad bin Qasim of the Umayyad Dynasty. But yes, the people who Islamicized most of South Asia were mainly Turks.

[Mingle]

Han Chinese is just an umbrella term, it is more a political identity. The Hans of different regions are more similar to the minorities of their region than they are to the Hans across the country.

I think the Hans living in the south (Yunnan, Guangxi, etc.) will be very close to the local Baiyue, but those living in Xinjiang, Tibet, and even parts of Inner Mongolia won't feel much in common with the local non-Hans. The Han population exploded fairly recently under the Qing Dynasty, Mao Zedong, and the 1960's industrialization. China's population in the mid-18th century was around 200 million a few decades after the Qing established themselves. If I'm not mistaken, it was under 100 million under the Ming. Also; Liaoning, Heilongjiang, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, and I think even Qinghai were settled by Han people not too long ago.

[zhaoyun]

I think the Hans living in the south (Yunnan, Guangxi, etc.) will be very close to the local Baiyue, but those living in Xinjiang, Tibet, and even parts of Inner Mongolia won't feel much in common with the local non-Hans. The Han population exploded fairly recently under the Qing Dynasty, Mao Zedong, and the 1960's industrialization. China's population in the mid-18th century was around 200 million a few decades after the Qing established themselves. If I'm not mistaken, it was under 100 million under the Qing. Also; Liaoning, Heilongjiang, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, and I think even Qinghai were settled by Han people not too long ago.

Yeah, I think you are correct about that more or less. Though in Inner Mongolia, the Han presence has been there much longer than in Xinjiang and Tibet.

[Mingle]

Yeah, I think you are correct about that more or less. Though in Inner Mongolia, the Han presence has been there much longer than in Xinjiang and Tibet.

Hans were settled in Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and Manchuria around roughly the same time - the late 18th century. In fact, Hans settled in Xinjiang before IM. The Dzungar Genocide was in 1759 whereas Hans started moving into IM in the 1780s.

[zhaoyun]

Hans were settled in Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, and Manchuria around roughly the same time - the late 18th century.

Yeah, but more numbers in Inner Mongolia and Manchuria, and also the historical exchange between Northern Hans and those regions were greater.