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By classic Med, i mean Gracile Med.What is 'classic med' in your opinion ?
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He means small, dark-skinned meds, such as Southern Italians etc.
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Mixture always happened, so we don't know, but since we see in many areas tall-robust Mediterranids, it is rather that Nordoids might be derived from them than vice versa - though regionally through admixture the opposite is ALWAYS possible and would result in Nordomediterranid intermediates = Atlantid/Nordatlantid.
Bones, about the bony material. There are specific long and more robust bones typical for Nordoids and Atlantomediterranids, you can see that on the skull as well. Even the taller Gracilmediterranids, which exist here and there, have usually somewhat different traits than, best visible on the head, even better on the skeleton.By robust, do you talking about body type or somthing ?
Pontids are taller than Gracilmediterranids, so no wonder.In Poland, there are some who look very Pontid and they are quite tall.
That is obvious in every respect. A classic (Gracil-) Mediterranid can be distinguished more easily even from the skull alone from a Nordoid, which is often close to impossible if comparing Nordid with Atlanto-Pontid skulls on an individual base.What i'm trying to say is that Pontid and Atlanto-Med are closer to Nordid than classic Med.
It is more difficult but still possible some claim for whole cemeteries, populations, but on an individual base, it remains always guesswork and is among the most difficult classifications.
Also Atlanto-Pontids are taller and lighter pigmented, so closer to Nordoids in this respect as well, really a clear case.
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I agree.Mixture always happened, so we don't know, but since we see in many areas tall-robust Mediterranids, it is rather that Nordoids might be derived from them than vice versa - though regionally through admixture the opposite is ALWAYS possible and would result in Nordomediterranid intermediates = Atlantid/Nordatlantid.
Why do you think that Atlanto-Med are taller than Pontid ? I have a friendPontids are taller than Gracilmediterranids, so no wonder.
who is Poles who look very Pontid and he's about 6 ft 2.
Got a picture of Atlanto-Pontid skull ? Because i would like to see difference between them.That is obvious in every respect. A classic (Gracil-) Mediterranid can be distinguished more easily even from the skull alone from a Nordoid, which is often close to impossible if comparing Nordid with Atlanto-Pontid skulls on an individual base.
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Well, they do exit in Iberia but Atlanto-Med are very common in Iberia.So according to you a classic med is what you find in...Iberia ?
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Well, if the graciles are gone/reduced, then they were weeded out by natural selection, or the original estimates for the number of graciles was simply incorrect. Its a real physica/genetic type, and a gracile lineage wouldn't magically be transformed into atlantomediterranid because of better nutrition etc.
what you call "gracile" it is an old fashined term to describe certain med people with small and thin features that was predominant in rural areas of southern europe due to poverty and malnutrition.
Today, an average Iberian of 18-30 years old is about 180 cm tall (many of them actually top that) and the gracile features are gone, since people have access to milk and meat since an early age.
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Iberia: I guess then the most common type in Spain is Atlantomed, which is typically light-skinned, dark hair, tends to be tall, with long heads, a type also very common in South England and western France, which is probably why Spain clusters genetically with those two areas.
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Well, that's anecdotic, but yes, tall Pontids are VERY COMMON. But on average, Atlantomediterranids seem to be more robust boned and probably slightly taller, but pretty much the same in height.Why do you think that Atlanto-Med are taller than Pontid ? I have a friend
who is Poles who look very Pontid and he's about 6 ft 2.
Just search for Atlantomediterranid skulls - essentially, the difference between Nordid + Atlanto-Pontid and Gracilmediterranid is somewhat similar to the difference between male vs. female inside of the Nordid/Atlanto-Pontid spectrum.Got a picture of Atlanto-Pontid skull ? Because i would like to see difference between them.
Iberians btw are obviously no homogenous block, but the most typical element, which really makes the difference to other areas, is Atlantomediterranid.
Gracilmediterranids might be most common in Southern Italy and smaller regions in various Southern and South Western European areas.
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