The Random Thoughts/Notes Thread

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[Aldaris]

if you think about it, to an hypothetical superintelligent artificial mind, all reality may be percieved as a simulation

What would the purpose of the simulating the universe such as ours would be? In any case, there’s way too much redundancy in our universe. To elaborate, why would anyone want to have billions of star systems, black holes, or, most importantly, vast regions of void, if it means, that it’d just increase the time and space complexity of your simulation, when there’s really no reason for doing so, since you can just scale down your universe and get the same results? One reasonable assumption about nonhuman intelligence capable of simulating the whole universe is that it’d be efficient. Plus, if the aim of the said intelligence would be to somehow study or interact with conscious beings such as ourselves, while maintaining the illusion, that our universe is basically random event and we’re just a product of ‘natural’ proccesses (which isn’t unreasonable to assume, the motivation for this could be some ‘study’ in it’s equivalent of sociology or psychology), I think my reasoning still holds, as scaling things down, even to a large degree, would not cause us to suspect anything.

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What would the purpose of the simulating the universe such as ours would be? In any case, there’s way too much redundancy in our universe. To elaborate, why would anyone want to have billions of star systems, black holes, or, most importantly, vast regions of void, if it means, that it’d just increase the time and space complexity of your simulation, when there’s really no reason for doing so, since you can just scale down your universe and get the same results? One reasonable assumption about nonhuman intelligence capable of simulating the whole universe is that it’d be efficient. Plus, if the aim of the said intelligence would be to somehow study or interact with conscious beings such as ourselves, while maintaining the illusion, that our universe is basically random event and we’re just a product of ‘natural’ proccesses (which isn’t unreasonable to assume, the motivation for this could be some ‘study’ in it’s equivalent of sociology or psychology), I think my reasoning still holds, as scaling things down, even to a large degree, would not cause us to suspect anything.

i think we as humans like to simplify and octimize because we are limited and have limited capabilities. thus we associate efficiency with simplicity and cause-effect reasoning.
at that hypothetical level of computing power why even bother? it may be that even complex and seemingly random events that we can't even explain or grap are just the equivalent of our cause-effect reasoning for someone or something.


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[Aldaris]

i think we as humans like to simplify and octimize because we are limited and have limited capabilities. thus we associate efficiency with simplicity and cause-effect reasoning.
at that hypothetical level of computing power why even bother? it may be that even complex and seemingly random events that we can't even explain or grap are just the equivalent of our cause-effect reasoning for someone or something.


cool

I’m glad you’re not commiting the ‘all intelligence is humanlike’ fallacy (in fact, even biological beings from other planets would probably be so psychologically alien to us, that we would probably not even recognize them as fellow sentinents, let alone some ‘eldritch abomination’ beyond the space and time), but plenty of our concepts seem to be universal, in one form or another. I believe, efficiency, as we understand it, is one of them. But ultimately, that’s just my belief, even though it seems to be a reasonable one, based on what we know about reality. When time complexity is not an issue, many programmers just basically CTRL C + CTRL V a brute force solution without considering the more efficient one. Maybe that’s what happened. If so, what does it say about the mysterious admins?

[Aldaris]

Wrong.

LAWL. Quite an interesting thought. As pretty much always, depends on the definition. Does ‘not existing’ count as doing something?

[Peterski]

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Cassettes and vinyls had A and B sides...then the next thing to come out were CD's. makes sense