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    Default Who were Sicily's Elymians? Where did they come from?

    The Elymians were an ethnic group living in northwest and central Sicily before the Phoenicians and Greeks settled there. Some people think they were Italic from the mainland, others think they were Anatolian and their language related to Hittite, Trojan, Armenian, etc.

    Here is what we know. What seems more likely?

    1. The Sicels, the Italics living in eastern Sicily, were not easily assimilated by the Greeks. The Elymians, on the other hand, were, due to what were said to be linguistic similarities between Elymian and Greek. With that said, Elymian has not been wholly deciphered but what has been, has showed links to Hittite. If it is true that Armenian and Greek languages are distantly related, Elymian, Hittite, and Trojan must also have been in that grouping.

    2. The Elymians shared some basic cultural similarities with the Phoenicians, thus there was limited tension. Their language, however, was not similar, as the former were Indo-European and the latter were Semitic.

    3. There is a lot of R1b and J2 in the Palermo and Trapani area, but not much E1b1b today.

    4. People who have traveled to the region that I know have said if you go to the rural areas, some of the people look almost Armenian, Kurdish, etc.

    5. The Trapani region today is genetically the most north/west shifting part of Sicily because of increased North African/Berber and West European admixture, considerably more so than the results I see from Palermo but still not as northward plotting as central Italians or Greek mainlands.

    My guess is they were an Anatolian group related to the ancestors of Armenians.


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    I personally believe that the language was Italic or more closely related to Italic but I think that's unprovable.

    Off topic, the endonym of the 'Hittites' could have been something like 'Nesi'. The fact the we still use terms like 'Hittites' or 'Minoans' proves how bad European scholars usually are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danaan View Post
    I personally believe that the language was Italic or more closely related to Italic but I think that's unprovable.

    Off topic, the endonym of the 'Hittites' could have been something like 'Nesi'. The fact the we still use terms like 'Hittites' or 'Minoans' proves how bad European scholars usually are.
    Well it is known the Sikels were Italic. There does not seem to be evidence the Elymians were too. The only people who have claimed this are Italian users on anthroforums who seem bothered by the notion one of the people on the island could have been from the southern Caucasus.

    My guess is their language was "Greco-Anatolian".

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    what we can say for sure is that they werent andids or angry negritos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Well it is known the Sikels were Italic. There does not seem to be evidence the Elymians were too. The only people who have claimed this are Italian users on anthroforums who seem bothered by the notion one of the people on the island could have been from the southern Caucasus.

    My guess is their language was "Greco-Anatolian".
    Who was from Southern Caucasus?

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    According to Thucydides, they were from Troy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Thevillager View Post
    According to Thucydides, they were from Troy.




    Their language has some similarities to Hittite.

    My guess is Trojan, Hittite, Elymian, and even proto-Armenian were all in one family and Greek was related to it, hence why Elymians and Greeks assimilated into one another quickly.

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