So i will convert to christianity or atheism

[Egyptian]

Hum I remember science show that many description in Quran are false. I can't tell which one from memory but if you made a research in english you will find many pages talking about quran contradictions.

Some:
* The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].
* Who is the first muslim: Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?

Honesthmy there are long pages of contradictions.

so where is the contradictions about not marrying Idolatrous womens and Christian , jew women? In Islam christians or jews are considered Ahl El Ketab (people of the book) who have some similarity with muslims , such as (believing in prophets like Joseph , moses , Ibrahim and so on ,not eating pork, not drinking alcohol , fasting and so on) yet nowadays many identify themselves as christians or jews but they really aren't they are secular of atheists in heart and those we can't marry from them because simply they lost their christain or jew identity.

Muslims believe in christianty or judism (as religions before Islam sent by some God , yet it was that much but still some writings as it is ) so if we married christian or jew woman we gonna respect their faith , but if a christian man or jew man married muslim woman they won't respect her faith because simply he doesn't believe in Islam.

idolatrous women we are not allowed to marry them because they don't believe in any of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

I've replied before that Islam means surrender to god in Arabic , Adam was the first Muslim and all prophets did surrender to god and accepted his message , Muhammed came with the last Message (Last religion) of the 3 Abrahamic religions, he came to with a message that believed in Moses or Jesus and so on .

[Egyptian]

1. it's gonna be very difficult to convert
2. u're gonna lose your identity. everything u know, everything u lived until now will be just a lie. such experience will have a very negative impact on u.
3. u'll not be able to continue living there anymore. everyone around u will look like a bunch of lunatics in your eyes.

1-why?
2- what identity ? did you find any mistake yet to make me change my identity ?
3-aren't many Egyptian Christians live in Egypt already ? about 15 million Christian here and some jews

[Egyptian]

That's very tendentious.



This has extremely little to do with what I said.



You only really answered one of my points, and rather poorly, too.

Ask me anything .. i'm waiting.

[Seya]

1-why?
2- what identity ? did you find any mistake yet to make me change my identity ?
3-aren't many Egyptian Christians live in Egypt already ? about 15 million Christian here and some jews

i was referring to atheism. and no, i don't have any intention in convincing u, as i told already. stay the way u are..it's the best!

[Ujku]

Why are arabs even allowed on this forum????

If you want to talk about how perfect the quran is go to a islamic site or whatever

[Jehan]

so where is the contradictions about not marrying Idolatrous womens and Christian , jew women? In Islam christians or jews are considered Ahl El Ketab (people of the book) who have some similarity with muslims , such as (believing in prophets like Joseph , moses , Ibrahim and so on ,not eating pork, not drinking alcohol , fasting and so on) yet nowadays many identify themselves as christians or jews but they really aren't they are secular of atheists in heart and those we can't marry from them because simply they lost their christain or jew identity.

Muslims believe in christianty or judism (as religions before Islam sent by some God , yet it was that much but still some writings as it is ) so if we married christian or jew woman we gonna respect their faith , but if a christian man or jew man married muslim woman they won't respect her faith because simply he doesn't believe in Islam.

idolatrous women we are not allowed to marry them because they don't believe in any of the 3 Abrahamic religions.

I've replied before that Islam means surrender to god in Arabic , Adam was the first Muslim and all prophets did surrender to god and accepted his message , Muhammed came with the last Message (Last religion) of the 3 Abrahamic religions, he came to with a message that believed in Moses or Jesus and so on .

You really not answear to the point.

1:The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221].
2:Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33]
3: but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].

Christians are call idolaters in 9:23-33
In 2:221 quran said you can't marry idolatrous. So logically muslims shouldn't be allow to marry christian women as they are call idolatrous.
Yet the quran allow muslims tp ùarry christians women in 5:5.

You don't see any contradiction there?

[Egyptian]

i was referring to atheism. and no, i don't have any intention in convincing u, as i told already. stay the way u are..it's the best!

oh you are atheist ... my bad , thought you are christian.

anyway you can't find any proof about any observable evidence for Darwinin evolution where there is change of kind?

[ЛыSSый]

oh you are atheist ... my bad , thought you are christian.

anyway you can't find any proof about any observable evidence for Darwinin evolution where there is change of kind?

take this and translate http://ateist.far.ru/05/05-nesootvet...-v-korane.html

[Seya]

oh you are atheist ... my bad , thought you are christian.

anyway you can't find any proof about any observable evidence for Darwinin evolution where there is change of kind?

God is great! don't listen atheists

[Egyptian]

You really not answear to the point.

1:The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221].
2:Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33]
3: but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].

Christians are call idolaters in 9:23-33
In 2:221 quran said you can't marry idolatrous. So logically muslims shouldn't be allow to marry christian women as they are call idolatrous.
Yet the quran allow muslims tp ùarry christians women in 5:5.

You don't see any contradiction there?

that's Surah 9 ( El Tawba) verse 28
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْمُشْرِكُونَ نَجَسٌ فَلاَ يَقْرَبُواْ الْمَسْجِدَ الْحَرَامَ بَعْدَ عَامِهِمْ هَذَا وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ عَيْلَةً فَسَوْفَ يُغْنِيكُمُ اللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِ إِن شَاء إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

and that's verse 29
قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَلاَ بِالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ وَلاَ يُحَرِّمُونَ مَا حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ وَرَسُولُهُ وَلاَ يَدِينُونَ دِينَ الْحَقِّ مِنَ الَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ الْكِتَابَ حَتَّى يُعْطُواْ الْجِزْيَةَ عَن يَدٍ وَهُمْ صَاغِرُونَ


what's the difference between Kafir and Mushrik ? Kufr means to hide the truth or stopping some of acts like Praying or Zikah or Fasting so on.

Mushrik is who believes in God but also pray to others .. like praying to dead people in graves or like that.

about your second point , it wasn't mentioned that Christians are Idolaterus , that's all Surah Tawba (9) with all its verses
http://www.holyquran.net/cgi-bin/prepare.pl?ch=9

where it was mentioned there were idolaters?

thats verse 23
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ آبَاءَكُمْ وَإِخْوَانَكُمْ أَوْلِيَاء إِنِ اسْتَحَبُّواْ الْكُفْرَ عَلَى الإِيمَانِ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

where was it mentioned idolaters?

that's 33

هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَى وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ

where was it mentioned idolaters?