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    I'am against massive immigration in general. I wouldn't mind some armenian immigrants.
    But considering the situation of Armenia, I think it's better to secure the futur of your country that not to much people leave.
    Last edited by Jehan; 12-29-2016 at 09:34 PM.

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    Yes because we have positive experiences with Armenian immigration. In Poland this already happened and Armenians were always good immigrants, who integrated very welll and easily assimilated into mainstream Polish culture (that's why there is no any large Armenian Diaspora community in Poland today, but rather there are many ethnic Poles with partially Armenian ancestry, either distant or more recent):



    Throughout history, there were at least four waves of Armenian immigration to Poland:

    The first influx started in years 1045-1062 (after the conquest of Armenia by Seljuq Turks) and continued also after the 11th century at a slower pace (they were coming via Crimea, Bessarabia and Don River region) - those first immigrants settled mostly in Halychna and Podolia, areas which became parts of Poland in the 14th century. By 1630 Armenians fully integrated with Polish Catholic culture, which made assimilation and intermarriage much easier than in case of Polish Jews. Armenians who were descended from the first wave of immigrants became Polonized and melted into Polish people during the 17th century. The 2nd wave of Armenian migrants came in the 18th century from Moldavia and Wallachia - those became Polonized by the 1800s. The third wave came as refugees after the Armenian Genocide. It wasn't very numerous (several thousand people). Armenians from the third wave became acculturated and integrated during the 20th century (since nobody exterminated them, as it happened to Jews). After the end of WW2, 99% of Armenians in what used to be Eastern Poland moved westward, and only 1% stayed in the Soviet Union. Despite Polonization, many Armenians managed to preserve their traditions, customs and memory about ancestors. Finally, the last, most recent wave of Armenian immigrants came to Poland after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

    There have been some prominent Poles of at least partial Armenian descent:

    Juliusz Słowacki (up to 1/4 Armenian - via maternal grandmother)
    Zbigniew Herbert (up to 1/4 Armenian - via maternal grandmother)
    Krzysztof Penderecki (up to 1/4 Armenian - via paternal grandmother)
    Jerzy Kawalerowicz (some paternal ancestry from Armenian Kavalarian family)
    Robert Makłowicz (up to 1/8 Armenian - via one great-grandmother)
    Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski (1/2 Armenian via mother)
    Maja Bohosiewicz (some paternal ancestry from Armenian Poghosyan family)
    Sonia Bohosiewicz (sister of Maja Bohosiewicz)

    And some in case of whom I haven't found info on how much of Armenian ancestry do (or did) they have:

    Teodor Axentowicz (painter)
    Ignacy Łukasiewicz (inventor, petroleum industry pioneer)
    Karol Mikuli (musician)
    Anna Dymna (actress, philanthropist)
    Szymon Szymonowic (poet)
    Jakub Paschalis-Jakubowicz (enterpreneur)
    Ignacy Nikorowicz (writer)
    Ewa Stolzman-Kotlarczyk (actress)
    Izaak Mikołaj Isakowicz (philanthropist, patriotic activist)
    Leszek Józef Serafinowicz (poet & diplomat)
    Łukasz Abgarowicz (politician)
    Wojciech Mojzesowicz (politician)
    Vahan Gevorgyan (Armenian-born footballer)

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    Armenian communities used to be concentrated mostly in Eastern Poland.

    Map of density of Catholic churches of the Armenian Ordinance in year 1772:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Agapetos View Post
    Many Greeks have about as much Near Eastern ancestry as the average Armenian
    I'd like to see some evidence for this.

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    Can't respond to the poll. To North America, sure. To Europe, it depends where in Europe. I'm indifferent about them moving to Western Europe, in general. To Ukraine, I am opposed. But said opposition is not strictly against Armenians; I'd say the same about any people who are not ethnic Ukrainians. And even then, my position must be clarified. It's really a matter of proportions rather than absolutes. A hypothetical lone Armenian is not an issue. One million would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I'd like to see some evidence for this.

    Colonies of Italy/Greece

    Besides Sicily and southern Italy, the Greeks established many more colonies around the Mediterranean, from approximately 750 B.C. until 500 B.C. Established as small city-states, most of these colonies were trading outposts. Others were created by refugees when Greek cities were overrun and the displaced inhabitants looked for new land. More than 90 Greek colonies were established, from Ukraine and Russia to the north, Turkey to the east, southern Spain in the west, and Egypt and Libya in the south.

    The Classical Age of Greece began around the 5th century B.C. It was the era of Athens, Sparta, the birth of democracy, and many of Greece’s famous playwrights and philosophers. After two bloody wars with the Persian Empire, Athens and Sparta went to war with each other, leading to the eventual decline of both. The Macedonian king, Philip II, united the Greek city-states in 338 B.C. After Philip’s assassination, his son, Alexander the Great, became king of Macedonia and carried out his father’s plans to invade Persia. Alexander led his armies in conquest of the Middle East, part of India, and Egypt, spreading the Greek language and culture throughout much of the ancient world. His triumph was short-lived, however; he died on his campaign and his conquered territories were divided among his generals. But many important Greek cities and colonies were established and remained under Greek rule, including Seleucia, Antioch and Alexandria.

    While Greece spread its influence eastward, the small city of Rome was growing into a regional power in Italy. As the Roman Republic expanded, it established colonies of Roman citizens to maintain control of newly conquered lands. By the time Julius Caesar seized power from the Senate, the Roman war machine was nearly unstoppable. Soldiers who served for years in the military were rewarded with land in Roman colonies throughout the empire, which stretched from Turkey and the Middle East to Spain and northern France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space and time View Post
    where is your proof that I troll armenians? It's not trolling, it's the truth. Your countryman spreads latent hatred toward other confessions and such OWD bullshit and you don't say a single word to him,so?
    Making a claim that he has "Off White Dilemma" (aka, OWD) is understandable, and I didn't thumb it down, but posting cherrypicked porn to insult Armenians is quite another (a face palm for that). But, I definitely don't agree with Petros Agapetos about everything, and there are differences, but in this thread, I see him posing a question about the acceptability of Armenian immigration to Europe. He posted data and information from a mountain of Armenian Diaspora contributions to Western Societies in general (Europeans among them), that in itself isn't OWD, it just stating facts for people to evaluate. On the other hand, you seem blind to those contributions, and you prefer to see Armenians as an ugly people. You're ethnicity is from the Mari Chuvash, a Turkic People, but that doesn't explain it, because it's the Turkic People from Turkey and Azerbaijan whom usually exhibit that kind of hatred. So, I really don't understand.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuvash_people

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    I'm not always in agreement with Petros Agapetos, and their are some fundamental ways that our viewpoints are different. For example: I don't agree with his views about Atheism, and I'd find it more acceptable if he held an agnostic viewpoint, rather than the dogmatic conclusions forged with Atheism. I haven't yet addressed the differences in our viewpoints.

    As for this matter of Armenian Immigration to Europe, I'm in agreement with him about it, because Armenians have successfully and peacefully immigrated to Europe for Centuries, without unfortunate incidents, especially during the last 150 years.

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    No, because why do they even need to go there?
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    Brazil have a big Armenian community

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Brazilians

    in my city has an subway station called Armenia



    I like Armenians

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