A generation of racially-lost women or degradation of Western society at large?

[Psychonaut]

Women whoring themselves out is not the same as men having lots of sex with different women. Maybe they are both the same morally, but it's not the same act for all intents and purposes.

Excepting pregnancy, what exactly is different?

[Debaser11]

Excepting pregnancy, what exactly is different?

No small thing, either. Femininity and masculinity entail different strengths and weaknesses. It makes about as much sense to say that the average male is as capable of raising and nurturing a young child fully as it does to say that a woman is strong in battle.

I see no reason why these fundamental differences (both physically and psychologically) would also not entail different consequences for men and women who sleep around. That being said, this is not me giving an endorsement for men to do it nor am I condemning every woman who does it. I just don't think it's in a woman's interest to try to behave like some primitive alpha male.

I'll put it another way: I don't think it's purely some social construct that the double standard exists. There's a real reason men see women who sleep around as "used" while men who sleep around are seen as studs (even by women). And it's because sex is "cheaper" for a man from a biological standpoint. A man is doing what he's supposed to do according to nature (maxing out quantity) while a woman is supposed to be maxing out quality.

I also think many men also see "loose" women as bad potential mothers. Because sex is supposed to be something intimate with no small amount of emotional baggage, I think many men sub-consciously detect something of a defect in a woman's femininity (and femininity translates to being a good mother whom men would also even sub-consciously be selecting for to raise their children) when they are even capable of sleeping around. The fact that men select for the ideal woman and woman select for the ideal male, makes sexual history have very different implications for each gender because the ideal male is a stud (in many cases) and the ideal woman is not loose (in many cases).

I didn't write the rules. I just live here.

[Psychonaut]

I see no reason why these fundamental differences (both physically and psychologically) would also not entail different consequences for men and women who sleep around.

Again, excepting pregnancy, what might these physiological and psychological differences resulting from promiscuity be?

I'll put it another way: I don't think it's purely some social construct that the double stand exists.

I'm still unsure what differences there are resulting from promiscuity (again, excepting pregnancy) that are specific to women that are not social consequences.

[Debaser11]

Again, excepting pregnancy, what might these physiological and psychological differences resulting from promiscuity be?

Again, that's no small thing. The differences are a bit nebulous but I think it's silly to just assume they don't exist. And the instincts that go along with the ability to become pregnant don't just turn themselves off because we have birth control.

I'm still unsure what differences there are resulting from promiscuity (again, excepting pregnancy) that are specific to women that are not social consequences.

There are social consequences. But those consequences can still be based on something deeper as I have explained. I used the phrase "social construct" because people use that phrase almost seem to imply that anything outside of equal perceptions of each respective gender is some macho conspiracy to subjugate women.

[Psychonaut]

The differences are a bit nebulous but I think it's silly to just assume they don't exist.

What might be an example of one, because I honestly have no idea what, in concrete terms, you're thinking of.

[Debaser11]

What might be an example of one, because I honestly have no idea what, in concrete terms, you're thinking of.

Well, like some of the others have pointed out, these women definitely view their exotic hook-ups through more of a rose-colored tint than men who I've seen with their Thai or Filipino brides. I can't help but think this has something to do with how each gender views sex.

I think for most women, whether they want to admit it or not, sex is much more of an emotionally-powerful bonding activity than it is for men. Men are engaged in a conquest whereas women are "giving something up." (Even the "sensitive" men talk about their exploits whereas women are more adapt to talk about their connections in my experience even if they sleep around.) Yet, even some of these women are talking about what a man would call "an exploit" as if they've established something deeper. That's much more typical coming from women and I think biology is the culprit.

[Psychonaut]

Well, like some of the others have pointed out, these women definitely view their exotic hook-ups through more of a rose-colored tint than men who I've seen with their Thai or Filipino brides. I can't help but think this has something to do with how each gender views sex.

I think for most women, whether they want to admit it or not, sex is much more of an emotionally-powerful bonding activity than it is for men. Men are engaged in a conquest whereas women are "giving something up." (Even the "sensitive" men talk about their exploits whereas women are more adapt to talk about their connections in my experience even if they sleep around.) Yet, even some of these women are talking about what a man would call "an exploit" as if they've established something deeper. That's much more typical coming from women and I think biology is the culprit.

So, women getting more emotionally attached after sex makes their promiscuity worse than it is for men? Is it not worse to make sex into an exploit and turn your partner into an object?

[Debaser11]

So, women getting more emotionally attached after sex makes their promiscuity worse than it is for men? Is it not worse to make sex into an exploit and turn your partner into an object?

Not morally, no. I even said so upfront. I don't condone men who act like pigs. (In fact, I think I'm seen as the biggest prude on this site by some people.) My only contention is that there are more severe consequences for women who act like pigs than for men who act like pigs because of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman in deep biological terms.

[Psychonaut]

Not morally, no. I even said so upfront. I don't condone men who act like pigs. (In fact, I think I'm seen as the biggest prude on this site by some people.) My only contention is that there are more severe consequences for women who act like pigs than for men who act like pigs because of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman in deep biological terms.

Well, then if there's no moral difference, what does it matter if a woman is more emotional about causal sex and a man is more callous?

[Debaser11]

I'd think it matters plenty to the woman (even she's not aware of the consequences)! Many nymphos seem to have huge intimacy issues that really screw them up in a variety of ways. Do you think it's any coincidence that women most drawn to porn and prostitution have some of the biggest issues in that respect? And in practical terms, it probably damages society more because women are more genetically valuable. Men and women committing the same moral infractions doesn't mean that the consequences have an equal impact.