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    I suspect the Sicanian language of Sicily was similar to Minoan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekihabaithor View Post
    How so?
    Homer in Odyssey says that in Crete there were Cydonians, Acheans, Dorians, Eteocretans and Pelasgians. That probably refers to the age when Odysseus lived, after the Trojan war. Even if not all of them were there then, that's probably true about the age when Homer wrote the epic poems.

    And when those non-Greek inscriptions written with the Greek alphabet are found, there are in Crete Cydonians, Acheans, Dorians, Eteocretans and Pelasgians.

    'Eteocretans' are placed by Greek sources in S. Crete. Dorians colonized the east Crete. And these non-Greek inscriptions are found in the east Crete too. So, those people lived at that point with the Greeks.
    But what makes us assume that they were natives? They may have moved with the Dorians or after the Dorians.

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    Well "eteocretan" means original Cretan, so i suspect they precede Greek speakers in Crete

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorcelow View Post
    Well "eteocretan" means original Cretan, so i suspect they precede Greek speakers in Crete
    Eteocretans (in S. Crete) and Cydonians (in W. Crete) probably precede Greek speakers but that doesn't mean that the language found in East Crete, written in Greek alphabet, after the settlement of the Dorians in East Crete is 'Eteocretan'.
    If we should use the term for any language it's the language written with Linear A, although I don't think there a reason to do it either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danaan View Post
    Homer in Odyssey says that in Crete there were Cydonians, Acheans, Dorians, Eteocretans and Pelasgians. That probably refers to the age when Odysseus lived, after the Trojan war. Even if not all of them were there then, that's probably true about the age when Homer wrote the epic poems.

    And when those non-Greek inscriptions written with the Greek alphabet are found, there are in Crete Cydonians, Acheans, Dorians, Eteocretans and Pelasgians.

    'Eteocretans' are placed by Greek sources in S. Crete. Dorians colonized the east Crete. And these non-Greek inscriptions are found in the east Crete too. So, those people lived at that point with the Greeks.
    But what makes us assume that they were natives? They may have moved with the Dorians or after the Dorians.
    That's very possible, however it's just as well possible that perhaps what we call Eteocretean is some kind of descendant or related language to "Minoan". It's really a moot point since we know nothing of Minoan, but it is a definate non-Greek, non-Indo-European langauge found in Crete that may or may not be of aid in comparing and decoding Linear A if more inscriptions can be found and deciphered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mekihabaithor View Post
    That's very possible, however it's just as well possible that perhaps what we call Eteocretean is some kind of descendant or related language to "Minoan". It's really a moot point since we know nothing of Minoan, but it is a definate non-Greek, non-Indo-European langauge found in Crete that may or may not be of aid in comparing and decoding Linear A if more inscriptions can be found and deciphered.
    The language is non-Greek but unclassified. If there are any similarities with the language or the languages written in Linear A is worth finding out, although I don't think it is possible.

    In Wikipedia it says that:
    Of them [the peoples in the above passage] Staphylos says that the Dorians occupy the region towards the east, the Kydones the western part, the Eteocretans the southern, whose town is Prasos, where the temple of Diktaian Zeus is; and that the Eteocretans and Kydones are probably indigenous, but the others incomers, ....
    [Strabo 10, 475]

    Indeed, more than half the known texts are from Praisos (Strabo's Πρᾶσος);[4] the others were found at Dreros (Driros).
    Either 'Southern Crete' actually meant 'East Crete' and as a result 'West Crete' meant 'North Crete' etc or that's not possible.

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    They spoke a proto-Greek.

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    Ofc not!!!Minoans have nothin to do with INDOEUROPEAN Greeks!!!


    They were probably here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrsenian_languages

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