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    Quote Originally Posted by Creepy Badger View Post
    Michelino seems to be a rare surname even in cognomix

    Michelino is a typical patronymic based on a diminutive. - ino is a typical Italian diminutive suffix ("little Michele").

    Not easy to find the area of origin because Michelino is Italian and not related to any dialectal form. Anyhow later I look in the books I own.


    Quote Originally Posted by Creepy Badger View Post
    The only man with that surname on google was this dude from Florence
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domenico_di_Michelino
    I already told you, it's not the surname of that dude from Florence.

    "Il suo vero nome era Domenico di Francesco, ma assunse lo pseudonimo di Michelino per una sua attività giovanile svolta presso un lavoratore di avorio chiamato Michelino di Benedetto".

    His real name was Domenico di Francesco but "di Francesco" in Tuscany is not a surname (the derived surname in Tuscany is Franceschi), in Tuscany "di Francesco", especially in the Middle ages, is an "agnatizio" that indicates "agnatic kinship" (not stricly related to primogeniture though), surely not a surname.

    Di Michelino was a pseudonym based on the name of his old and first magister, so not even based on patrilineality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    Michelino is a typical patronymic based on a diminutive. - ino is a typical Italian diminutive suffix ("little Michele").

    Not easy to find the area of origin because Michelino is Italian and not related to any dialectal form. Anyhow later I look in the books I own.




    I already told you, it's not the surname of that dude from Florence.

    "Il suo vero nome era Domenico di Francesco, ma assunse lo pseudonimo di Michelino per una sua attività giovanile svolta presso un lavoratore di avorio chiamato Michelino di Benedetto".

    His real name was Domenico di Francesco but "di Francesco" in Tuscany is not a surname (the derived surname in Tuscany is Franceschi), in Tuscany "di Francesco", especially in the Middle ages, is an "agnatizio" that indicates "agnatic kinship" (not stricly related to primogeniture though), surely not a surname.

    Di Michelino was a pseudonym based on the name of his old and first magister, so not even based on patrilineality.
    yep

    my bad

    He took his name from his teacher, a carver in bone and ivory named Michelino. He was elected to the Compagnia di San Luca (painter's guild) in 1442 and joined the Arte dei Medici e degli Speziali in 1444.
    thanks for the help

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    The surname of my only italian ancestor ( a great great grandmother) is Giraldi. What about it, guys?

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    lol i am dumb af
    my grandpa was michelino filho (filho would be an aportuguesado of figlio)... son of michelino
    michelino was probably the name of my great grandpa (not kidding, my parents dont give a damn from where their relatives are from, that explains why is so hard to me find these things)

    well, case closed
    http://www.inci.org.br/acervodigital...usca=MICHELINO

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    Silva rules in Padannia! Salut!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    The surname of my only italian ancestor ( a great great grandmother) is Giraldi. What about it, guys?
    It's pretty widespread throughout Italy, and probably derived from the name Gerald:
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    Also, this website has a huge list of surnames and explanations of their origins (in Italian): http://www.tuttiicognomi.com/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobi View Post
    The surname of my only italian ancestor ( a great great grandmother) is Giraldi. What about it, guys?
    Giraldi is a patronymic surname derived from a Germanic name, Gherard (Latin Gerardus) in Italy introduced by the Longobards, or derived from Gailhard, a Frankish name of Germanic roots. It has a lot of variants, Gilardi, Gilardini, Gerardi, Gherardi... It doesn't imply that all the people who carry this surname are of Germanic origin (but some could be), but that their ancestors lived in an Italian area that at some point was ruled for a long time by a Germanic tribe. For this reasons this type of surnames is spread in many areas of Italy, including South Italy, even if tendentially more concentrated in North and Central Italy.


    Gilardi, a variant of Giraldi

    Diffuso in tutta l'Italia settentrionale-occidentale, potrebbe avere anche un ceppo nel Lazio, e potrebbe derivare dal nome medievale francese della Linguadocia Gailhard.

    È diffuso nel Comasco, nel Varesotto e a Milano. Una pergamena del 4 marzo 1549 menziona Jacobum de Girardo fq. Joannis de Rognio; nel 1633 troviamo Magr. Paulus fq. Francisci de Girardo Comani habitator Montagnola; nel 1699 Cristoforo Gilardi di Magadino è podestà del Gambarogno; altre famiglie con tale cognome risultano originarie di Brè, Cademario e Gerra Gambarogno. Alla base sta il nome di origine germanica Gerardus, composto da gaira- lancia e da -hardu forte, valoroso; il significato originario fu quello di forte, valoroso con la lancia. La rapida espansione nella penisola italiana di Gerardus, fino a diventare uno dei nomi più ripetuti, fa pensare a un influsso dell'epica francese dove il personale è molto frequente (Langlois conta ben 113 eroi che portavano tale nome). Inoltre in Lombardia, e più precisamente attorno a Milano e a Varese, il nome di persona fu spesso assegnato sulla scia della venerazione per san Gerardo, in dialetto San Girard, le cui spoglie erano conservate a Monza. Quanto al Ticino, va detto che numerose famiglie Gilardi sono originarie di Magadino e di Vira Cambarogno, da cui si sposteranno in varie località, come a Contone, Chiasso ecc. Nel 1747, il registro delle cresime di Contone menziona per tre volte, come padrino, Dominicus Gilardi filius Nicolai Gilardi ex Vira.
    Troviamo delle famiglie Gilardi nelle regioni francesi del Var e della Alpi Marittime. In queste regioni i Gilardi vantavano, nello scorso secolo, ben 633 nascite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tacitus View Post
    Also, this website has a huge list of surnames and explanations of their origins (in Italian): http://www.tuttiicognomi.com/index.htm
    Good stuff, but it's amateur though.
    Last edited by Percivalle; 01-06-2017 at 11:23 PM.

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    kha (come) ed El, dorma apocopata di Elohìm (Dio), con il senso di Colui che è come Dio.
    tutto il centronord, Michelini è diffuso in tutto il nord, Toscana, Marche e Lazio, Michelino, molto molto raro, è tipico napoletano, Michelli ha un ceppo friulano
    http://www.tuttiicognomi.com/cognomi-M.htm


    even being amateur, it is always good to know these things, it is basically a summary than we found in cognomix and another websites

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creepy Badger View Post
    http://www.tuttiicognomi.com/cognomi-M.htm
    even being amateur, it is always good to know these things, it is basically a summary than we found in cognomix and another websites
    Amateur but not with an agenda. If there are mistakes, are made in good faith. This is what I meant.

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