Bošnjaci - Ilirski narod

[The Destroyer]

As I have already said, I don't know that for sure, it could've been Slavicized in Ukraine as well.
But, what makes me think that it was Slavicized on Balkans is that it is clearly evident I2a1b is dominant in Dinaric mountains (Herzegovina, Montenegro, western Serbia, good deal of Bosnian and Croatian mountains), while R1a is more dominant in plain, fertile lands of Yugoslavia (northern (especially NW) Croatia, Krajina Serbs, Podrinje, northern Bosnia, etc.) When we consider this geographical distribution of these two haplogroups, it makes no sense to me that they would be so differently distributed if they came within the same Slavic migration, and it is even more weird that Slavs (as heavily agricultural) would settle in rocky Dinaric mountains. It is kinda evident that R1a pushed I2a1b to the mountains.
Of course, this is just my theory. Carriers of I2a1b (most probably East Germanic tribes, considering where I2a1b "Dinaric" originates from) could've got Slavicized in Ukraine as well. Many even suggest they were Slavicized during Slavic ethnogenesis, but that is very wrong, for if that was the case, it would be evenly distributed among all Slavs.

So, you are saying we are Goths?

[cosmoo]

So, you are saying we are Goths?

Quite possibly. Upcoming DNA results from Wielbark culture may cast more light on this matter.

[Dema]

As I have already said, I don't know that for sure, it could've been Slavicized in Ukraine as well.
But, what makes me think that it was Slavicized on Balkans is that it is clearly evident I2a1b is dominant in Dinaric mountains (Herzegovina, Montenegro, western Serbia, good deal of Bosnian and Croatian mountains), while R1a is more dominant in plain, fertile lands of Yugoslavia (northern (especially NW) Croatia, Krajina Serbs, Podrinje, northern Bosnia, etc.) When we consider this geographical distribution of these two haplogroups, it makes no sense to me that they would be so differently distributed if they came within the same Slavic migration, and it is even more weird that Slavs (as heavily agricultural) would settle in rocky Dinaric mountains. It is kinda evident that R1a pushed I2a1b to the mountains.
Of course, this is just my theory. Carriers of I2a1b (most probably East Germanic tribes, considering where I2a1b "Dinaric" originates from) could've got Slavicized in Ukraine as well. Many even suggest that they participated in Slavic ethnogenesis, but that is very wrong, for if that was the case, it would be evenly distributed among all Slavs.

This is little contradicting since you said in that same post that Dr. Ken Nordtvedt stated that all I2a1b1 come from the same person who lived in Poland before 2500 years.
We know that there was much more R1a before, but I2a took over and expanded. I think there is nothing mystic about I2a and R1a in mountains and fields.

Also Krajina Serbs that you mentioned are recent arrival so their haplos are not that important in that term of conversation.

[Bosniensis]

We can talk as for years but one thing is definately correct:

R1a is a Slavic y-dna haplogroup.

Russians have it on average in 60% of populace.
Bosnians, 10%
Croatia, 14%
Serbia, 20%

Russians have I2a1b = 5%?

There is clearly something irregular here.

We have been brainwashed that Russians are (our Brothers), Poles, Ukrainians as well.. Our Brothers..but we obviously do not share Y-DNA paternal line.

Not to mention High % of E1b (ev13), and J2.

[Tschaikisten]

We can talk as for years but one thing is definately correct:
R1a is a Slavic y-dna haplogroup.

R1a is proto-slavic. I2a1b was assimilated by proto-slavs in Ukraine/Belarus/Poland region, and it was been part of Slavic ethnogenesis with R1a + N1a/c.

Russians have it on average in 60% of populace.

Actually, western Russians and Ukranians second most common haplogroup is I2a1b Dinaric.

Bosnians, 10%
Croatia, 14%
Serbia, 20%

Croats (espesially from Northern Croatia) and Bosnians have higher % of R1a Serbs.
Show me your sources.

Russians have I2a1b = 5%?

End of story.

[Bosniensis]

R1a is proto-slavic. I2a1b was assimilated by proto-slavs in Ukraine/Belarus/Poland region, and it was been part of Slavic ethnogenesis with R1a + N1a/c.

Actually, western Russians and Ukranians second most common haplogroup is I2a1b Dinaric.

Croats (espesially from Northern Croatia) and Bosnians have higher % of R1a Serbs.
Show me your sources.


End of story.

[Not a Cop]

We can talk as for years but one thing is definately correct:

R1a is a Slavic y-dna haplogroup.

Russians have it on average in 60% of populace.
Bosnians, 10%
Croatia, 14%
Serbia, 20%

Russians have I2a1b = 5%?

There is clearly something irregular here.

We have been brainwashed that Russians are (our Brothers), Poles, Ukrainians as well.. Our Brothers..but we obviously do not share Y-DNA paternal line.

Not to mention High % of E1b (ev13), and J2.

Russians have 10-20% I2a1b depending on the region.

[davai]

Illyrians are bearers of Iron Age cultures, NOT Bronze Age. That being said, they can only belong to northern R1a and I2a hgs and no other.

https://books.google.si/books?id=vWP...ltures&f=false

but Bosniaks are not fucking Illyrians.

[Lek]

Illyrians are bearers of Iron Age cultures, NOT Bronze Age. That being said, they can only belong to northern R1a and I2a hgs and no other.

https://books.google.si/books?id=vWP...ltures&f=false

but Bosniaks are not fucking Illyrians.

Thats why no Thracians found were r1a or i2a? Why would it be any different for ilirs? All Thracian samples so far have been haplogroups like ev13, r1b, j2

The high i2a in west balkans is a founder effect and not because it actually originated or is indigenous there.

A high frequency of a hg in a certain area doesnt make that area its ancestral place.

Its only a coincidence bosnia doesnt have 50% r1a instead, both are Slavic.

[davai]

Thats why no Thracians found were r1a or i2a? Why would it be any different for ilirs? All Thracian samples so far have been haplogroups like ev13, r1b, j2

The high i2a in west balkans is a founder effect and not because it actually originated or is indigenous there.

A high frequency of a hg in a certain area doesnt make that area its ancestral place.

Its only a coincidence bosnia doesnt have 50% r1a instead, both are Slavic.

Illyrians = Thracians

you are a retard.

under a train is your therapy.