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    Quote Originally Posted by Etain View Post
    I understand what you're saying, but it's just difficult to wrap my head around. Basically, it would mean Jordanians aren't really a people.
    The indigenous Jordanians had their country usurped by regional turmoil. The massive influx of Palis in 1948, Iraqis during the 1980s and 2003+, actual Syrian refugees, and Egyptian workers = native Jordanians being a minority. However, they exercise very disproportionate power thanks to their ties with the Hashemite regime (tribalism and nepotism) and its alliance with the U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomguy1235 View Post
    1) Less than 2% Norman in Muslim Leb populations =/= lasting genetic legacy

    2) Lebanese are not/never were Arabs. They're "Arabs" in linguistics only.
    too bad, we should go back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creepy Badger View Post
    number1 is really a great surprise to me
    It's based on limited sampling though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berahthraban View Post
    If so then that's a great point
    What he says is actually not true, the samples are from real Jordanians. He just wants Palestinians to seem more "European." There are many other multi ethnic countries with gedmatches and they all always specificy the exact ethnicity, so I'm sure those are ethnic Jordanians.

    Back to the topic on that. Sikeloit actually discovered the Jordanian thing like two hours ago in a thread by looking at one oracle and got all "JORDANIANS ARE CLOSER TO SICILIANS THAN KURDS AND ARMENIANS ARE LULZ! SICILIANS IZ LEVANTINE! " (no offense Sikeliot, you're amazing, but you got too carried away lol). Most Sicilians can be modeled as Spanish + Lebanese, or North Italian + Lebanese, so I'm sure most Sicilians are not genetically closer to Jordanians or even Palestinians than they are to Spaniards. Also, most Sicilians are genetically closer to at least one balkan group (be it Albanian, Bulgarian, or Romanian) than they are to any Levantines. However, Sicilians are a diverse bunch. I've seen some oracles that scored Saudis and Egyptians in their top 20 at only 17 distances. However, those Sicilians always came up as Ashkenazis and Sefardics first (one time even as Tunisian Jewish first), so we can assume that those are VERY outlying samples (or maybe just a shitty calculator).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    1. Don't believe in that, Christian Leb look significantly more euro than muslims.
    2. BS, vast majority of southern Italians and Jordanians look nothing alike.
    3. If they are balcker on average then they must be more SSA on average.
    4. LOL...you really believe that ? Genetic markers/components and the way they work and correlate are man made and is far from being an exact science. Iberians are obviously more similar to southern Italians than to Norwegians on average.
    5. Same fallacy as number 4.
    6. Some are, some are not. Not an homogeneous population so...
    7. Yeah, it's BS. Most Malians are as black as they come.
    Looks like you failed to understand the point of the thread.

    1. Because of less SSA ancestry. But actual ancestry FROM EUROPE is higher in Muslims.
    2. That's the point... Sicilians obv look more like Armenians and Iberians (NOT Bulgarians, IMO) than like Jordanians so it is a shock that the genetics are the opposite.
    3. Apparently not.
    4. Iberians are genetically closer to Norwegians because they lack all of the West Asian in southern Italians, but you wouldn't know it from how Iberians look (closer to Med Europeans).
    5. Pacific Islanders are very isolated from Africans genetically. You're wrong.
    6. I said ON AVERAGE. Learn to read.
    7. Apparently genetics do not agree with you, they shift toward North Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    Almost. This is a Sicilian.


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Italian_Abruzzo 4.41
    2 West_Sicilian 6.37
    3 South_Italian 7.37
    4 Central_Greek 7.39
    5 East_Sicilian 7.93
    6 Tuscan 9.55
    7 Greek_Thessaly 11.18
    8 Ashkenazi 12.57
    9 Sephardic_Jewish 13.17
    10 Italian_Jewish 13.95
    11 Algerian_Jewish 14.59
    12 North_Italian 14.82
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 17.72
    14 Bulgarian 18.24
    15 Libyan_Jewish 18.39
    16 Romanian 19.55
    17 Cyprian 20.22
    18 Turkish 20.93
    19 Spanish_Extremadura 21.89
    20 Spanish_Andalucia 22.26

    Please send me their gedmatch ID (in a message). I have never seen a result like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    Back to the topic on that. Sikeloit actually discovered the Jordanian thing like two hours ago in a thread and got all "JORDANIANS ARE CLOSER TO SICILIANS THAN KURDS AND ARMENIANS ARE LULZ! SICILIANS IZ LEVANTINE! " (no.offense Sikeliot, you're amazing, but you got too carried away lol). Most Sicilians can be modeled as Spanish + Lebanese, or North Italian + Lebanese, so I'm sure most Sicilians are not genetically closer to Jordanians or even Palestinians than they are to Spaniards. Also, most Sicilians are genetically closer to at least one balkan group (be it Albanian, Bulgarian, or Romanian) than they are to any Levantines. However, Sicilians are a diverse bunch. I've seen some oracles that scored Saudis and Egyptians in their top 20 at only 17 distances. However, those Sicilians always came up as Ashkenazis and Sefardics first (one time even as Tunisian Jewish first), so we can assume that those are VERY outlying samples (or maybe just a shitty calculator).
    Most Sicilians (some 95% of them, and I have nearly 100 to go based on) get Lebanese before Spanish. I don't see why it'd be different for Palestinians given Spanish usually is not within their top 20 and Lebanon is around 15.

    As for the Balkan comment, Albanians always come before Levantines with rare exceptions, but Bulgarians and Romanians are so Slavicized that the same is usually not true for them.

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    Honestly though, Jordanians are darkwashed more than they should be. They look very much like Palestinians, but they're not that genetically close to S.Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myanthropologies View Post
    Honestly though, Jordanians are darkwashed more than they should be. They look very much like Palestinians, but they're not that genetically close to S.Europe.
    No, but they are comparatively close to the outliers (Southern Italian, Maltese, Sicilian). They are not going to get Greek, Spanish, etc in their top 20. Maybe if Cretan was separate they would score it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    No, but they are comparatively close to the outliers (Southern Italian, Maltese, Sicilian). They are not going to get Greek, Spanish, etc in their top 20. Maybe if Cretan was separate they would score it.
    But Jordanians don't really look like Europeans. Some do (my Sunday school principal growing up was a Jordanian guy at one point, and he looked white), but majority look like Palestinians and Syrians, and a minority can look like Bedouins.
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