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    Default Seljuk-Georgian war the Didgori battle 1121

    In 1121 the Georgian kingdom defeated a huge Seljuk Türkish army near Tbilisi and Georgians consider this as greatest event in all their history.Georgian people celebrated every year their victory against Türks for 1000 years and today even they remember with official celebrations. Georgians even make movie about battle.



    Georgians are proud and they are right because Seljuk army was led by famous prestigious Ilghazi Bey. Ilghazi was son of Artuk not from Seljuk family but noble Türkmen family. After Türkic war machine conquered Mideast, Great Seljuk chose Artuk as Jerusalem governor. After Artuk Bey died Ilghazi was Jerusalem governor for a few times. Ilghazi even defeated Frank Crusaders of Antioch in famous Battle of Ager Sanguinis 1119 (this means Field of Blood as Ilghazi destroyed Crusaders army + Armenians even killed their prince Roger of Salerno). Roger was Antioch prince and West Euro nobleman most likely French-Norman origins.
    So this is maybe most important event in Georgian peoples history. They are proud of their king Davit.
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    Georgian armoured vehicle Didgori


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    Default Didgoroba in Georgia

    Didgoroba is Georgian holiday, that is annually observed on August 12. This holiday commemorates the Battle of Didgori on August 12, 1121.
    The Battle of Didgori took place 40 km west of Tbilisi, modern capital of Georgia. The battle was fought between the armies of the Kingdom of Georgia and the Great Seljuk Empire (medieval Turkic empire, the predecessor of the Ottoman Empire. At that time the Great Seljuk Empire was declining and King David IV of Georgia's decisive victory led to reconquest of Tbilisi, then-Muslim held city.

    Didgori monument where battle happent


    Kavkaz guys in Didgori. for Georgians this is worship place like Mecca or Jerusalem


    12 August every year for 1000 years tens thousands Georgians unite and celebrate Didgori victory against Türks. This celebration last year or year before




    This is good for understand the Kavkaz ethnicity of some people in Türkey cant be equal with ethnicity of Türks. How can it be?

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    It saved Kartvelian civilization when Albania, Byzantium, Armenia, Iran felt.
    Caucasian Albanians and Anatolia Greeks dissapeared after that.

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    Kipchaks saved Georgia. Ilghazi attacked Georgia with 30k Turkish warriors, he had brought his army all way from Aleppo.
    He faced the Georgian army of 20k + 40k Kipchak mercenaries. They easily repelled the attack.

    Kipchaks were people who would even fight their own father for money, that's the sad part of the story that Turks (Turcomans) were stopped by some other Turkic people in Didgori. Had he succeeded, Turks would go unchallenged until Abkhazia.

    I am a little pissed that the career of a man like Ilghazi, who served as master and Governor of Jerusalem, who then became Bey of his state in Mardin, expanding to Aleppo. Wipping out Norman army at famous Ager Sanguinis battle.
    He should have won at Didgori. Anyway, life story of Ilghazi is like man of first class, so much experience and ventures.

    For what they are and how they act, working for gold, Kipchaks ultimately lost anything they had. They went extinct, were it not for Golden Horde Mongols adopting their language as lingua franca.

    No surprise after Queen Tamar, Kipchaks also sold out their Georgian allies for Mongol golds.
    Mongols turned Georgia into ashes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Kipchaks saved Georgia.
    Meskhians will be astonished


    Ilghazi attacked Georgia with 30k Turkish warriors, he had brought his army all way from Aleppo.
    He faced the Georgian army of 20k + 40k Kipchak mercenaries. They easily repelled the attack.


    Strength

    Great Seljuq Empire:

    Artuqids, Eldiguzids, Mazyadids, Shaddadids, Emirate of Tiflis, Shah-Armens.

    modern Georgian est.:
    100,000-250,000;

    other sources:
    around 200,000-250,000[2] or app. 300.000.[3]

    contemporary chronicles:
    400,000-600,000 or 800,000 [

    Kingdom of Georgia

    Alans, Kipchaks and Frankish mercenaries.

    40,000 Georgians
    Incl. 5.000 royal knights
    15,000 Cumans-Kipchaks
    500 Alan Mercenaries
    100-500[7] Frankish Knights
    Armenian and Shirvanese allies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Didgori

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    Quote Originally Posted by klarji View Post
    Meskhians will be astonished






    Strength

    Great Seljuq Empire:

    Artuqids, Eldiguzids, Mazyadids, Shaddadids, Emirate of Tiflis, Shah-Armens.

    modern Georgian est.:
    100,000-250,000;

    other sources:
    around 200,000-250,000[2] or app. 300.000.[3]

    contemporary chronicles:
    400,000-600,000 or 800,000 [

    Kingdom of Georgia

    Alans, Kipchaks and Frankish mercenaries.

    40,000 Georgians
    Incl. 5.000 royal knights
    15,000 Cumans-Kipchaks
    500 Alan Mercenaries
    100-500[7] Frankish Knights
    Armenian and Shirvanese allies

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Didgori
    Turks fought mighty Byzantine army in 1071 with 40k soldiers, do you think Ilghazi had really 600k or even 100k or even even 50k soldiers?

    Ilghazi: 25-30k
    Georgia: 60k (of who 40k were Kipchak professionals).

    Turkish version of Kings and Generals covered the battle:



    Don't tell Turks under comments section that Ilghazi had 600k or 100k soldiers.
    They aren't that kind.
    Some Georgians did and they didn't receive kind answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Mongols turned Georgia into ashes.
    Dont tell here fairy-tales in panTurkist style.
    in the first battle with Mongols the Georgian King died and his weak sister Rusuan succeed him who of course could not fight the great Mongolian warlord. The first thing she did was that she run to the Western Georgia where Mongold could not pass in.

    that's the sad part of the story that Turks (Turcomans) were stopped by some other Turkic people in Didgori.
    I think on contrary that its a very beautifully story when the ancient Kartvelian civilization defeated wild nomad agressors and saved their wonderful country and culture.
    Sad was when Byzantium fell.

    Kipchaks were people who would even fight their own father for money

    Kipchaks were fled by Slavic Russians when the Great King David built a great Kingdom. But he needed more soldiers. For that reasong that Georgia was a typical European feudal Kingdom where every lord controlled his own vassals and the King could not use the vassals of his own vassals he decided to use and increase the number of this own vassals by fled Kipchaks who needed a shelter.
    Their ressetling David began in 1118-1119.

    Georgian Kingdom was at that time already a strong and great Kingdom that was preparing for its last blow at Seljuks.
    In 1121 when the Didgori battle set up the King did not trust them. They even did not take part in the battle standing in the back.
    The only one who helped real Georgians were Europeans (Crusaders) who opened the second front to Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Böri View Post
    Turks fought mighty Byzantine army in 1071 with 40k soldiers, do you think Ilghazi had really 600k or even 100k or even even 50k soldiers?

    Ilghazi: 25-30k
    Georgia: 60k (of who 40k were Kipchak professionals).

    Turkish version of Kings and Generals covered the battle:



    Don't tell Turks under comments section that Ilghazi had 600k or 100k soldiers.
    They aren't that kind.
    Some Georgians did and they didn't receive kind answers.

    Ok
    Dont complex
    Caucasian Mtebid will defeat a lot of Turkoid.
    Mtebids are very strong and fiery
    its normal

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