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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    How do you know? ever been to Armenia or you mean genetically?
    Genetically. They're very closely related to Assyrians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomguy1235 View Post
    Genetically. They're very closely related to Assyrians.
    And phenotypically
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    You might be right that Abkhaz are of Adygh origin.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=yf...0tribe&f=false
    The book in your link transmits some stupid ideas that originate from Georgia (among others). So it presents the idea that Apsua are descendants of Kabradians and Balkars. That's not possible plainly. Abkhazian/Apsua language is very different from both Kabardian and Balkar and although belongs to the same group as Kabardian, isn't mutually understandable with it. In fact, it's not mutually understandable with any Adyghe language or dialect! Not possible that it could transform so much in a short time.

    Also it provides the idea that once upon a time some supposedly superior Kartvelian speakers were assimilated by supposedly inferior Apsua speakers. Not consistent at all.
    Last edited by Rumata; 01-19-2017 at 04:37 AM.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    How do you know? ever been to Armenia or you mean genetically?
    And have you already been in Armenia to say that they are European?

    Obviously not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumata View Post
    The book in your link transmits some stupid ideas that originate from Georgia (among others). So it presents the idea that Apsua are descendants of Kabradians and Balkars.
    Yes, it says that they came from there in only the 19th century. I found that part hard to believe as well but thought the rest sounded a bit convincing I will try to look for other sources on it later.

    That's not possible plainly. Abkhazian/Apsua language is very different from both Kabardian and Balkar and although belongs to the same group as Kabardian, isn't mutually understandable with it. In fact, it's not mutually understandable with any Adyghe language or dialect! Not possible that it could transform so much in a short time.
    The Abkhaz language(s) and Ubykh language share a common ancestor with Adygh. Ubykh would have been part of the dialect continuum connecting Abkhaz and Adygh proper but it is now extinct.

    The Zan language and Svan language are not mutually intelligible with standard Georgian but both are considered Kartvelian (Georgian) languages. Same can be said with Abkhaz, Ubykh, and standard Adygh. So its possible for Ubykh and Abkhaz to have been part of a Proto-Adygh language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Yes, it says that they came from there in only the 19th century. I found that part hard to believe as well but thought the rest sounded a bit convincing I will try to look for other sources on it later.
    The common sense is certainly needed in such a research as there probably very different theories.

    The Abkhaz language(s) and Ubykh language share a common ancestor with Adygh. Ubykh would have been part of the dialect continuum connecting Abkhaz and Adygh proper but it is now extinct.

    The Zan language and Svan language are not mutually intelligible with standard Georgian but both are considered Kartvelian (Georgian) languages. Same can be said with Abkhaz, Ubykh, and standard Adygh.
    The Ubykh language had features of both Adyghe and Abkhaz languages, but it had died in Turkey.

    So its possible for Ubykh and Abkhaz to have been part of a Proto-Adygh language.
    Sure. But not in any near past.
    Do what you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randomguy1235 View Post
    Genetically. They're very closely related to Assyrians.
    Armenians are west asian . so are Assyrians , Georgians , Kurds , Druze etc. . these are all genetically and geographically close people . there are some differences in ancestry and pheno (especially Georgians) but also big overlaps . and yes Assyrians , Kurds , are beside being west asian also good to call near eastern ...not sure if you can call armenians near eastern though because their country is more north than that and they are christian and more europe oriented therefore . they were part of russia in the past

    middle eastern are people like saudis , yemenis , qataris , omanis , jordanians, kuwaitis etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamkhan View Post
    And have you already been in Armenia to say that they are European?

    Obviously not.
    No but I have seen plenty of documentaries about Armenia. It didn't seem middle eastern but typical former ex soviet republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    No but I have seen plenty of documentaries about Armenia. It didn't seem middle eastern but typical former ex soviet republic.
    That does not automatically mean that it is Europe

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    Many people put it in West Asia. Although thats debatable.

    The Caucasus region is stuck between West Asia and Europe, comparable to Central America which is stuck between Northern and Southern America.
    Keep in mind I mean regions, not continents. So in continents Central America region is part of North America.

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