Divergence of races

[Bell Beaker]

The first homo sapiens was a proto Wadaadoid?

[Mingle]

"Veddoids" are a phenotype named after Vedda people who are a small tribe in Sri Lanka.

That is basically just Australoid with some Caucasoid admix then? I wouldn't say they're a separate race.

[Milo]

That is basically just Australoid with some Caucasoid admix then? I wouldn't say they're a separate race.

There is no population in mainland south asia that is predominantly ASI(or Australoid, if you want to call it that). The people with the highest ASI are the Paniyars, but they too only score around 43% ASI, the rest is western eurasian.
These Veddas look less "Australoid" than them.

[Bell Beaker]

How the fuck Australoids arrived India?

Did they arrived via Indonesia>Malasya>Myannmar/Birmania>India?

[Shah-Jehan]

That is basically just Australoid with some Caucasoid admix then? I wouldn't say they're a separate race.

Well, some Veddas look distinct, but most of them don't look much different from Sinhalese people.

[Mingle]

There is no population in mainland south asia that is predominantly ASI(or Australoid, if you want to call it that). The people with the highest ASI are the Paniyars, but they too only score around 43% ASI, the rest is western eurasian.
These Veddas look less "Australoid" than them.

So do you consider Veddoids a race? They seem to be just a mix of Australoid and Caucasoid. I guess the term 'pure Veddoid' that I used in my original post was stupid since Veddoid is a mixed race, but I was referring to ASI.

[Milo]

Well, some Veddas look distinct, but most of them don't look much different from Sinhalese people.

I did some research on them, and found out that there are different types of Veddas, some who speak Sinhala and some who speak Tamil. They have retained words from an older Vedda language, whose origins are not clear. Overall they do not deviate much(or at all) from a mainland Indian point of view in terms of phenotypes, although they seem to have some "distinct" looks(which may still be found among mainland Indian tribals I guess)

So do you consider Veddoids a race? They seem to be just a mix of Australoid and Caucasoid. I guess the term 'pure Veddoid' that I used in my original post was stupid since Veddoid is a mixed race, but I was referring to ASI.

Veddoid is as much a race as Gracile Mediterranean or Dinarid or Iranid or whatever. It is some random phenotypical distinction created by some random western anthropologists. Veddas are obviously a blend of a standard South Asian Caucasoid type, along with that unknown entity ASI(unknown because we have no idea how they looked).

[Peterski]

Australoid, Negritoid, and Veddoid are the same thing. The Onge (Negritos) and Papuans (Australoids) are used as a proxy for ASI on some calculators.

They have some common ancestry (from ASI people), but they are not the same thing.

Sahul was probably settled by groups related to Onge and Veddas.

But Onge and Veddas have no Denisovan admixture. Sahulians do.

Bottleneck among ancestors of Australoids was dated to 50,000 years ago. Denisovan admixture event was dated to around 45,000 years ago (probably when they were enroute from Sundaland to Sahul):

See: Figure 3 | Settlement of Australia in the link below:

http://www.nature.com.sci-hub.cc/nat...ture18299.html

Today, Denisovan admixture is present in very large amounts only in what used to be Sahul:

1) Map of Sahul during the LGM:



2) Denisovan admixture today:



Eurasians (especially East Asians) also have some Denisovan, but much less than Sahulians.

[Peterski]

That is basically just Australoid with some Caucasoid admix then?

More like "Australoid minus Denisovan". Australoids have Denisovan. Veddoids do not have it.

Andamanese Negritos (such as Onge) also don't have Denisovan. But they have Neanderthal.

[Mortimer]

Australoid, Negritoid, and Veddoid are the same thing. The Onge (Negritos) and Papuans (Australoids) are used as a proxy for ASI on some calculators.

The only difference seems to be geography:

Australoid - native Australians
Negrito - native Southeast Asians, native Melanesians, native Polynesians, native Micronesians, Andamanese
Veddoid - native Indians

But I've also seen Veddoids and Negritos referred to as Australoid. Sometimes a differentiating factor is that because of geography, Veddoids and Negritos have minor Cuacsoid and Mongoloid blood, but pure Veddoids and Negritos are the same as Australoids.

If there is an actual difference between the three, then I'd like to know what it is. But I highly doubt there is.

They are sometimes all grouped under the australoid umbrella, but to me they are obviously different a negrito looks very different then a australian aboriginal, maybe they had somwhere back the same ancestor but all humans had the same ancestor somewhere back then, i wouldnt call them the same no way.