Divergence of races

[Peterski]

Kennewick man looks pretty native american

Not really, he looks more like e.g. the Ainu from Japan.

And Ainu look Pseudo-Caucasoid or Pseudo-Australoid.

[Mortimer]

Not really, he looks more like Ainu from Japan. And Ainu like Pseudo-Caucasoid or Pseudo-Australoid.

he was compared to a white guy, and some said first natives were whites, well that was wrong, to me he looks normal native american, but he is bald etc. give him hair and feathers, also our eyes can deceive us from a image

[Milo]

Not really, he looks more like e.g. the Ainu from Japan.

And Ainu look Pseudo-Caucasoid or Pseudo-Australoid.

Ainus probably descend from the people who hadn't split into Caucasoids/Australoids yet, and therefore they show features of both groups. Just speculating.

Australoid features in many ways are just exaggerated versions of Caucasoid ones in my opinion.

[Shah-Jehan]

Not really, he looks more like e.g. the Ainu from Japan.

And Ainu look Pseudo-Caucasoid or Pseudo-Australoid.

Ainu are said to be genetically clustering with other Japanese people.

[Peterski]

Upper Paleolithic European skull vs. modern European skull (white outline):

https://i.imgur.com/D9aQLjy.jpg

[Milo]

Ainu are said to be genetically clustering with other Japanese people.

source? I'd imagine that they'd have mixed a lot with locals though.

[Peterski]

Ainu are said to be genetically clustering with other Japanese people.

Not really, Ainu are indigenous. Japanese are mostly Neolithic immigrants (but they also have that indigenous admixture, which is why they overlap with Ainu). Ainu are descended from Jomon people while Japanese are mixed, descended from Yayoi people with some Jomon admixture. Yayoi people were Neolithic immigrants who spread farming into Japan, and mixed with local hunter-gatherers (Jomon people).

Japan's hunters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jōmon_period

Japan's farmers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_period

Jomon skull (left) vs. Yayoi skull (right):



So basically just like in Europe, there was a massive immigration of farmers.

[Shah-Jehan]

source? I'd imagine that they'd have mixed a lot with locals though.

Found it in some blogs, think it was Dniekes as well as Razib khan. They cluster within the East Asian spectrum quite well, and are the most similar to Ryukyuan people of Kyushu (southern Japan).

Not really, Ainu are indigenous. Japanese are mostly Neolithic immigrants (but they also have that indigenous admixture, which is why they overlap with Ainu). Ainu are descended from Jomon people while Japanese are mixed, descended from Yayoi people with some Jomon admixture. Yayoi people were Neolithic immigrants who spread farming into Japan, and mixed with local hunter-gatherers (Jomon people).

Japan's hunters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jōmon_period

Japan's farmers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yayoi_period

Jomon skull (left) vs. Yayoi skull (right):



So basically just like in Europe, there was a massive immigration of farmers.

Yeah, but that is skull-wise though, genetically, they are within the East Asian spectrum and are not "west Eurasian" as their looks may tell.

[Shah-Jehan]

Even so, Ainu are probably more Melanesian or Siberian shifted than Yamato people, but are not connected in any way to West Eurasian populations. But, the people as a whole are quite interesting, and several Ainu-like cultures have been absorbed by the Yamato people like the Emishis in the Tohoku region of Honshu island. Ryukyuan people also have more of a melanesian-shifted look than Yamato people from the north.




Pictures by Bronislav Pilsudski are probably the most documented of pure Ainu people.

[Peterski]

Although there is a subset of Amerindians (and Kets/Altaians as well I think) that look non-Mongoloid. Perhaps a Mongoloid-Caucasoid mix?

https://pl.pinterest.com/roxygsss/na...miscellaneous/

Sitting Bull:



Atsina man:



Wolf Robe:



Taken in 1910s, untitled:



This Kamayurá guy (Amazonian tribe) looks quite similar to Potentia:

Yes, there is influence of European Upper Palaeolithic types among some Native Americans, most visibly among Indians of Great Plains.

If the Solutrean hypothesis is correct, then Solutreans who traveled to America were probably of Y-DNA C2b and of mtDNA X2. Europe between 42,000 and 17,000 years ago (during Aurignacian, Gravettian and Solutrean cultures) was actually dominated by Y-DNA haplogroup C (mostly C1a2, but with some C1b, some I - and maybe with some C2 too). However, no mtDNA X2 has been found in Pre-Neolithic Europe so far.

Native American Y-DNA haplogroups:

Q1a2a1-L54
Q1a1a-F746
C2b1a1a-P39

In Europe, there are some people with a closely related subclade of C2:

C2b1a1b-F3985

In FTDNA "C Haplogroup Y-DNA Project", they have the following:

C2b1-F1699 - 3 samples (two from Germany, one from Slovakia)
C2b1a1b-F3985 - 4 samples (2 Poland, 1 Austria, 1 Czech Rep.)

Native American mtDNA haplogroups:

A2 (including e.g. A2a, A2b, A2g, A2h)
B2 (including e.g. B2b)
C1b (including e.g. C1b2)
C1c
C1d (including e.g. C1d1)
C4c
D1
D2a
D3
D4h3a
D4e1c
X2a
X2g

In Europe, there are several subclades of X2 (but not X2a and not X2g):

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...html#subclades

X2 is a West Eurasian hg. Other Amerindian mtDNA hgs are East Asian: