Who were the Paeonians?

[Marzipan]

This is very interesting. I don't have time to read the material at the moment but I will get to it. Subscribed!

[catgeorge]

The Paeonians, who were probably of mixed Thraco-Illyrian origin, were weakened by the Persian invasion (490 bc), and those tribes living along the Strymon River fell under Thracian control. The growth of Macedonia forced the remaining Paeonians northward, and in 358 bc they were defeated by Philip II of Macedonia. The native dynasty, however, continued to be highly respected: about 289 bc, King Audoleon received Athenian citizenship, and his daughter married Pyrrhus, king of Epirus. Under the Romans, Paeonia was included in the second and third districts of the province of Macedonia. By ad 400, however, the Paeonians had lost their identity, and Paeonia was merely a geographic term.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Paeonia

Based on intellectual integrity - the land they occupy is called Paeonia. They will become a Bulgar-Albanian mix (quasi Thracian-Illyrian mix) so the more things change the more they stay the same.

[wvwvw]

The identity of the Paeonians is under debate. What do you think their origins/identity was based on the info available?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonian_language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paeonia_(kingdom)

They wereTeuctrians from Troy. The Paeonians were so named after Paeon the son of Endymion a grandson of Deukalion who migrates there from Aethlia. That dates the colony to 1360 BC which would be in the same generation that Tereus the king of Thrace assists Erechteus at Athens.

Scamander the father of Teukros was also called Xanthus therefore there Teukrians were Greeks.

Archaeology shows that Troy was built by the Minoans in 2800 BC and has no similarities with either Hittite or Lydian or any other culture of Asia-Minor. Therefore the Trojans were always Cretan Greeks.

Dardanus father was Korothos another Cretan. This clearly indicates a Minoan Greek origin and therefore no relationship with any other inhabitants of Asia-Minor. In fact if the Maeonians are Phrygians then the Tyrsenoi would not have even been in Asia-Minor until 1000 years later than the Minoans, since the Phrygians obviously came at the same time as the Achaean invasions of 2200 and 1900 BC and used to live next to the Macedonians.

Hellenes and the Pelasgians were two tribes which occupied Greece at the same time and the Hellenes became dominant. Hellenic was a branch of Pelasgic. The Hellenes were descended from Hellen the son of Deukalion whereas the Pelasgians were decended from Pelasgus the son of Triopas or Pelasgus the son of Niobe and brother of Argos. Deukalion was descended from Iapetus and Argos from Oceanus both sons of Uranus. They were therefore the same people.

Pelasgus was the son of Triopas the king of Argos and thus a relative of Danaus. His son Thessalus went on to colonise Thessaly which was named after him hence the Pelasgians that Herodotus is referring to are Argives.

An Argive is a descendent of Argus. The original Argives were not Hellenes, they were Inachids. Neither the Danaioi, Pelasgians and the original Argives were Hellenes. They were all Greeks, but Inachid Greeks not Hellenic Greeks. The Hellenes were of the same common origin as the Pelasgians but the Hellenes became more dominant.

The Pelasgains are the descendents of Pelasgus and came from the Peloponnese somewhere between 1600 and 1450 BC. Helios and Rhode lived in 1660 BC at the time of the Telchines who were
contemporary to Phoroneus. Deukalion the father of Hellen lived in 1460 BC. Deukalion shared Thessaly with Haemon the son of Pelasgus who was the father of Lycaon who lived in 1500 BC.

[wvwvw]

The people of Greece were descended from 6 founding tribes. 3 of them became almost extinct. 3 survived into the archaic age. The founding tribes assimilated the earlier peoples who inhabited the land in the 18 century BC into 3 or 4 cities with populations of 20,000 to 150,000. These tribes were called Pelasgains or City Dewlers. The Arcadians were also originally Pelasgians as were the Aigialeans. Those who did not dwell in the new cities became extinct after the Thera Eruption in 1600 BC because the land could not support them. This mass extinction is pretty well documented. The Kronids ruleld Crete, the Inachids ruled the Peloponnese, the Iapetids ruled
Thessaly, the Hyperionids ruled Troy and the eastern Aegean islands. I do not know the fate of the Criids and Coeids.

[The.Mask]

Since you call us firom/firomians and you do not allow us to call ourselves Paeonians, godfather what is your proposal?

Existence of your '' country'' is a gift of Tito. You know very well that you do not exist as a nation.

However you are not very different from neo greeks in this case.

The difference is that they were created as a nation 130 years before you by choosing a lingua franca language.

[MegaArgus1]

Existence of your '' country'' is a gift of Tito. You know very well that you do not exist as a nation.

However you are not very different from neo greeks in this case.

The difference is that they were created as a nation 130 years before you by choosing a lingua franca language.

We do exist as a nation. You may not have us in your vision but we are still around. That may trouble many of you but that is your choice to see what you want to see.

[Robocop]

They were probably of mixed Thraco-Illyrian origin, but I voted for Thracian.

They were weakened by the Persian invasion (490 bc), and those tribes living along the Strymon River (in western Bulgaria) fell under Thracian control. The growth of Macedonia forced the remaining Paeonians northward, and in 358 bc they were defeated by Philip II of Macedonia. The native dynasty, however, continued to be highly respected: about 289 bc, King Audoleon received Athenian citizenship, and his daughter married Pyrrhus, king of Epirus.

They were originally including the whole Axius (Vardar) River valley and the surrounding areas, in what is now northern Greece, Macedonia, and western Bulgaria.

[MegaArgus1]

^^^
Slavomacedonians is a nice name.

We are Slavomacedonians but the country cannot be Slavomakedonia.
Not because of me.
Albanians and others will complain about it.

[Danaan]

They were probably of mixed Thraco-Illyrian origin, but I voted for Thracian.

They were weakened by the Persian invasion (490 bc), and those tribes living along the Strymon River (in western Bulgaria) fell under Thracian control. The growth of Macedonia forced the remaining Paeonians northward, and in 358 bc they were defeated by Philip II of Macedonia. The native dynasty, however, continued to be highly respected: about 289 bc, King Audoleon received Athenian citizenship, and his daughter married Pyrrhus, king of Epirus.

They were originally including the whole Axius (Vardar) River valley and the surrounding areas, in what is now northern Greece, Macedonia, and western Bulgaria.

Τhe name Audoleon is Greek though. The name Ariston (his father) too.

In the Trojan war they appear as allies of the Trojans but their Kings have Greek names too, although in epic poems the names could have been hellenized forms of their real names or made up. But that's not the case with Audoleon. There are coins.

[catgeorge]

There are many and many references in classical ancient texts of Paeonia here

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...ults?q=paeonia