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    Default Somali gang rape video sparks call for justice, and not fine of camels

    January 23, 2017
    Katy Migiro
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    A group of teenage boys who posted a video online of themselves raping two girls must not be allowed to evade jail by paying for their crime in camels, campaigners said, in a case that has sparked outrage in the conservative Horn of Africa country.

    In the attack last month, six teenage boys forced the girls, aged 14 and 16, into a car and drove them close to the Ethiopian border where they stripped and raped them, taking photographs and video, according to activists counselling the victims.

    Authorities in the northern region of Puntland have arrested five suspects over the attack and are tracking down the sixth.
    “It’s inhuman what those young girls have been through, the way they have been raped, tortured, stabbed,” said Hawa Aden Mohamed, executive director of the Galkayo Center for Peace and Development (GECPD), which is helping the girls.

    Rape is pervasive and often goes unpunished in much of Somalia, where decades of conflict have fuelled a culture of violence and weakened institutions meant to uphold the law.

    Traditionally, rape victims are forced to accept compensation – often in the form of camels or livestock – and marry their assailants in a centuries-old practice designed to end war between rival clans.
    But graphic images of the gang-rape, shared on Facebook, have shocked Somalis, prompting an outpouring of sympathy for the victims and donations from hundreds of people for the 16-year-old and her family.

    According to Somali Faces, a platform set up by Somalis in the diaspora, more than 9,000 pounds ($11,000) was raised in two days to help the girl, who has been forced to flee to a different city for fear of being ostracised by her community.

    “SEVERE PUNISHMENT”
    Faiza Jama Mohamed, head of the Nairobi office of the women’s rights advocacy group Equality Now, said the attack highlighted the plight of thousands of Somali women.

    “It has been happening silently to many women and girls,” Mohamed told the Thomson Reuters Foundation by phone.
    “Only now that it has escalated to the level of being shared through the internet, it became a big issue.”

    Women across Somalia are often reluctant to report rape for fear of being denounced as impure and immoral and rejected by their families.

    Equality Now’s Mohamed said a crowd of hostile men came to the hospital where the girls were being treated, demanding their release.
    “The hospital was under siege,” she said. “That gives a red flag in terms of how the community is normalising this.”

    Clan elders initially proposed that the perpetrators’ families pay each of the girls’ families 100 camels in compensation – an offer they rejected, GECPD said.

    “We have refused to allow traditional elders to intervene,” Mohamed Ali Farrah, director of Puntland’s justice ministry, told the Thomson Reuters Foundation.

    “We shall take the teenagers to the court for raping the girls and they will face a severe punishment.”

    Puntland passed a Sexual Offences Act in 2015, introducing a 15-year minimum sentence for rape, as well as legal aid and free medical care for survivors.

    It also seeks to end traditional justice practices by stating that marrying the victim is not a defence and compensation does not “extinguish the criminal action”.

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    1 pregnant she camel is worth atleast $2,400 US dollars
    1 she camel is worth $1,200-$1,800
    1 male camel is worth $900
    (edit: these were the prices I observed in the camel markets circa 2009 I dont know the market rate today but it gives you an idea the value of such compensations).

    A family can accept victim compensation or not. If they choose to not accept compensation they can choose vengence in their own hands or leave it to the courts. Rape is punishable by death. Everything else in that article is nonsense.
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    In a case like this what happens?

    The teenage boys' clan members will be forced to pool their meager resources and come up with the victim compensation (fine of camels). Murders usually amount to compensation of 100 she-camels or their monetary equivalent. This is a burden that will be felt by every male in the dia (blood compensation) paying group, usually 100 adult males. For causing such a financial headache the clan will be responsible for 'monitoring' or 'disciplining' these boys.

    If these boys continue to be a financial liability by getting themselves in legal problems they may become 'persona non grata'. This is when a clan disowns you. When this happens you become a 'nobody'...vulnerable to any kind of abuse, violence whatever. A Somali without his lineage is no Somali at all. This is the deterrence against crime, equivalent to the western 'imprisonment/jail'.

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    Finally, nobody is forced to marry their rapist against their will...this is a slander against the Somali justice system (the Xeer) which is more efficient and fair than western laws, because you dont have lineages (bastards and awlad haraam) and your tribe is the nation (citizenship) and your advocate are lawyers, not your clan elders.

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    The purpose of sharing this news article was to bring awareness of what Somali people are like and what they believe in. The fact that you support your primitive camel system only has enforced this, so thank you for proving my point: Zoomalis are subhumans that should be avoided at all costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    The purpose of sharing this news article was to bring awareness of what Somali people are like and what they believe in. The fact that you support your primitive camel system only has enforced this, so thank you for proving my point: Somali are subhumans that should be avoided at all costs.
    My posts was not for you but to explain to the neutral observer how justice operates in Somalia. You have not bothered (more like incapable of) refuting or hilighting any drawbacks to this centuries old legal arrangement, nor can I expect such from the overall 'low quality' membership of this forum..All that matters is that this system works for Somalis or else people would not resort to Xeer for justice and solving legal disputes both prior to the state collapsing and after it collapsed.

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    You're so butthurt all the time, OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    My posts was not for you but to explain to the neutral observer how justice operates in Somalia. You have not bothered (more like incapable of) refuting or hilighting any drawbacks to this centuries old legal arrangement, nor can I expect such from the overall 'low quality' membership of this forum..All that matters is that this system works for Somalis or else people would not resort to Xeer for justice and solving legal disputes both prior to the state collapsing and after it collapsed.
    They resort to Xeer because Somaliland has no legal system and if there is any trace of it it utterly fails at enforcing the law. Like the article states very clearly, traditionally rape victims in Somalia are forced to accept compensation, often in the form of camels. If they are forced to accept it, then it's not like your fairy tale that women have free will to accept it or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    They resort to Xeer because Somaliland has no legal system and if there is any trace of it it utterly fails at enforcing the law. Like the article states very clearly, traditionally rape victims in Somalia are forced to accept compensation, often in the form of camels. If they are forced to accept it, then it's not like your fairy tale that women have free will to accept it or not.
    This happened in Puntland. The article was mostly right, if I was motivated to making Somalis look progressive or whatever I'd deny people use camels to settle scores. Article (out of ignorance or malice) lied about victims being forced to marry their rapists.

    Why do I even need to refute that? Do you not have any common sense? You know how honor based Muslim socieities are, do you think the father of these girls will be ok marrying their daughters to a bunch of teen boys who posted their daughters getting molested on facebook? Is that what a Muslim father in law would do, based on the stereotypes you have? According to you we are primitive violent misogynists, so why would we act like a Swedish cuck and accept a rapist marrying our daughters? That sentiment is more in line with that Norwegian fellow who 'forgave' his Somali rapist and did not want him deported.

    Stick to proving how non-Moorish you are with your pubic hair beard and brownish skin...dont waste my time with some lazy internet copy-pasting motivated by hatred and bitterness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Reese View Post
    Somalis are worst scum that Europe has ever seen in History of immigration to Europe, even Arabs are nothin in comparison to them.

    One Sierra Leone (black guy) told to one friend of mine in Germany this same thing about Somalis, that Sierra Leone guy is honest and hard working man in Germany, for 15 years, and he dont want to have anythin to do with Somalis who came to Germany with migrants, calling them "Animals" and worst thing which could happen to Germany or any other country, according to words of Sierra Leone guy.

    That's all what I have to say.

    P.S. So this is not about race, this is about Somalis, and I have no reason to doubt words of that Sierra Leone guy.
    Oh so you actually talk to people? Im surprised because going by your post history it seems your whole education from A-Z is from cheap B-rate 1980s movies

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