GEDmatch kits of Bell Beaker dudes with R1b-DF27 & R1b-U152

[Peterski]

This one:

I0806 Bell Beaker, Quedlinburg, Germany (2431-2150 BC)
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2a1a2a-DF27
GEDmatch Kit Number: T253390

And this:

RISE563 Bell Beaker, Osterhofen-Altenmarkt, Germany
Y-DNA Haplogroup: R1b1a1a2a1a2b-U152
GEDmatch Kit Number: T644357

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Some autosomal DNA comparison of my results and I0806:

Ancient Eurasia K6:

1) I0806 (haplogroup: R1b-DF27):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 49.45
2 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 25.74
3 Natufian 24.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Steppe_MLBA 7.35
2 Estonian 8.33
3 Lithuanian 8.5

2) Litvin (haplogroup: R1b-DF27):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 43.79
2 Natufian 34.21
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.69
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1
5 East_Asian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 2.07
2 Norwegian 2.41
3 Czech 2.78

Eurasia K10 CHG:

1) I0806 (haplogroup: R1b-DF27):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 38.43
2 EHG 29.66
3 Anatolian_Farmers 18.55
4 CHG 13.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Icelandic 15.46
2 Norwegian 15.86
3 Ukrainian 15.99

2) Litvin (haplogroup: R1b-DF27):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 41.56
2 CHG 21.71
3 EHG 16.18
4 Anatolian_Farmers 15.25
5 SW_Asian 4.34
6 Amerindian 0.77
7 Papuan 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Czech 4.03
2 Scottish 4.04
3 Ukrainian 4.36

[Kriptc06]

Mine:

K6
West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 27.14
Natufian 32.14
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.34
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.65
East_Asian 9.73
Sub_Saharan 12.00

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 19.89
2 Romanian 20.63
3 Russian 21.53

K10 CHG
WHG 23.35
CHG 15.72
EHG 8.98
Anatolian_Farmers 18.11
SW_Asian 10.81
Amerindian 7.28
W_African 10.65
Papuan -
S_Indian 2.14
E_Asian 2.97

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 18.84
2 Albanian 19.67
3 Tuscan 20.13

[Peterski]

^^ Wow, these calculators are very accurate for you, they show your Bulgarian ancestry.

Genetic distance is large (19-20), but this is due to your SSA and Amerindian admixtures.

[Kriptc06]

^^ Wow, these calculators are very accurate for you, they show your Bulgarian ancestry.

Genetic distance is large (19-20), but this is due to your SSA and Amerindian admixtures.

check this calc in my signature, it got gagauz:

[Peterski]

check this calc in my signature, it got gagauz:

Hahah. Which one is that? LOL, GEDmatch calculators are really good. You just need to figure out which calculator includes the best reference populations and the best components for you. For example if I use some calculator designed specifically for Africans (like "EthioHelix K10 Africa Only"), then of course I will get bullshit results. So everyone needs to find the best calculator for his own specific ethnic group(s).

BTW, you can use "Admixture/Oracle with Population Search" option, to check which reference populations are included in which calculators. For example, there are only three calculators which have "Gagauz":

MDLP K23b
MDLP World
MDLP World-22

No other calc can give you "Gagauz", because they simply don't have this among reference pops.

[Kriptc06]

Hahah. Which one is that? LOL, GEDmatch calculators are really good. You just need to figure out which calculator includes the best reference populations and the best components for you. For example if I use some calculator designed specifically for Africans (like "EthioHelix K10 Africa Only"), then of course I will get bullshit results. So everyone needs to find the best calculator for his own specific ethnic group(s).

BTW, you can use "Admixture/Oracle with Population Search" option, to check which reference populations are included in which calculators. For example, there are only three calculators which have "Gagauz":

MDLP K23b
MDLP World
MDLP World-22

No other calc can give you "Gagauz", because they simply don't have this among reference pops.

YES one of those MDLP World or MDLP World-22. Cool my gagauz appeared) something cool for once, so I guess we were right, its really gagauz/bulgarian

youre right I tried some african/ asian calcs lol they gave me crazy results

[Peterski]

Interesting that those Central European Beakers were pretty much Eastern European genetically.

I0806 (Bell Beaker man with R1b-DF27 haplogroup from Germany, dated to years 2431-2150 BC) resembles modern Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians in terms of autosomal DNA. He is also close to Steppe_MLBA (Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe, so Post-Yamnaya cultures such as Andronovo and Sintashta).

[Pahli]

Sintashta:

Kit M277797

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 40.46
2 EHG 25.15
3 CHG 19.38
4 Anatolian_Farmers 13.91
5 S_Indian 0.69
6 Amerindian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian 9.65
2 Norwegian 10.13
3 Icelandic 10.14
4 Scottish 11.08
5 Russian 11.35
6 Belarusian 11.44
7 Czech 11.52
8 RISE_baSin 12.2
9 English 12.27
10 Hungarian 12.94
11 Lithuanian 13.26
12 Estonian 13.41
13 Finnish 13.57
14 Karelia 15.29
15 Croatian 15.73
16 French 16.76
17 Tatars 21.87
18 Bulgarian 21.95
19 French_South 24.01
20 Spanish 24.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% Poltavka @ 2.33
2 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% RISE_baAfan @ 2.33
3 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% Samara_Eneolithic @ 2.33
4 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% Yamnaya @ 2.33
5 89.6% Norwegian + 10.4% Karelia_HG @ 2.33
6 86.6% Norwegian + 13.4% Potapovka @ 2.47
7 71.8% Norwegian + 28.2% Srubnaya @ 2.5
8 81.8% Norwegian + 18.2% RISE_baAndrov @ 2.56
9 81.9% Icelandic + 18.1% RISE_baAndrov @ 2.87
10 73.1% Ukrainian + 26.9% Srubnaya @ 3.03
11 87.4% Ukrainian + 12.6% Potapovka @ 3.05
12 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Karelia_HG @ 3.08
13 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Poltavka @ 3.08
14 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% RISE_baAfan @ 3.08
15 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Samara_Eneolithic @ 3.08
16 90.2% Ukrainian + 9.8% Yamnaya @ 3.08
17 89.8% Icelandic + 10.2% Karelia_HG @ 3.11
18 89.8% Icelandic + 10.2% Poltavka @ 3.11
19 89.8% Icelandic + 10.2% RISE_baAfan @ 3.11
20 89.8% Icelandic + 10.2% Samara_Eneolithic @ 3.11


Kit M690970

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 38.88
2 EHG 33.95
3 CHG 19.94
4 Anatolian_Farmers 6.4
5 W_African 0.84

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 RISE_baSin 4.99
2 Srubnaya 17.42
3 Russian 17.84
4 Finnish 18.57
5 Scythian_IA 19.15
6 Estonian 19.27
7 Ukrainian 19.34
8 Karelia 19.63
9 Lithuanian 19.69
10 Belarusian 19.87
11 Icelandic 20.27
12 Norwegian 20.37
13 Scottish 21.61
14 Czech 22.02
15 English 23.13
16 Hungarian 23.5
17 Tatars 25.88
18 Croatian 26.19
19 French 27.58
20 Bulgarian 31.35

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83.7% RISE_baSin + 16.3% Srubnaya @ 3.73
2 95.8% RISE_baSin + 4.2% Potapovka @ 4.36
3 97.2% RISE_baSin + 2.8% Karelia_HG @ 4.47
4 97.2% RISE_baSin + 2.8% Poltavka @ 4.47
5 97.2% RISE_baSin + 2.8% RISE_baAfan @ 4.47
6 97.2% RISE_baSin + 2.8% Samara_Eneolithic @ 4.47
7 97.2% RISE_baSin + 2.8% Yamnaya @ 4.47
8 94.3% RISE_baSin + 5.7% RISE_baAndrov @ 4.52
9 98.6% RISE_baSin + 1.4% Anatolia_Neolithic @ 4.79
10 98.5% RISE_baSin + 1.5% LBK_EN @ 4.79
11 98.1% RISE_baSin + 1.9% Iceman @ 4.8
12 97.7% RISE_baSin + 2.3% MA1 @ 4.8
13 98.5% RISE_baSin + 1.5% Stuttgart @ 4.9
14 96.2% RISE_baSin + 3.8% Lithuanian @ 4.94
15 96.1% RISE_baSin + 3.9% Finnish @ 4.94
16 96.5% RISE_baSin + 3.5% Estonian @ 4.95
17 98.7% RISE_baSin + 1.3% Sardinian @ 4.95
18 97.1% RISE_baSin + 2.9% Icelandic @ 4.96
19 98.7% RISE_baSin + 1.3% French_South @ 4.97
20 98.1% RISE_baSin + 1.9% Norwegian @ 4.98

[Pahli]

According to the average Tajik_Pomiri sample, it is around 30% Baltic + 70% BMAC:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 CHG 42.29
2 EHG 15.95
3 S_Indian 14.69
4 WHG 12.75
5 E_Asian 5.03
6 Anatolian_Farmers 4.20 (Blaze it)
7 SW_Asian 2.41
8 Amerindian 1.82
9 Papuan 0.79
10 W_African 0.08

Or this Scythian sample that still resembles Sintashta to an extent:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EHG 32.85
2 CHG 24.88
3 WHG 24.7
4 E_Asian 9.16
5 Anatolian_Farmers 2.97
6 SW_Asian 2.23
7 S_Indian 2.22
8 Amerindian 0.74
9 W_African 0.15
10 Papuan 0.11

[Albannach]

Interesting that those Central European Beakers were pretty much Eastern European genetically.

I0806 (Bell Beaker man with R1b-DF27 haplogroup from Germany, dated to years 2431-2150 BC) resembles modern Eastern Europeans and Scandinavians in terms of autosomal DNA. He is also close to Steppe_MLBA (Middle-Late Bronze Age Steppe, so Post-Yamnaya cultures such as Andronovo and Sintashta).

I also resemble Eastern Europeans and Scandanavians despite being 100% Scottish/Irish.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 44.13
2 Natufian 32.90
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 20.78
4 East_Asian 1.23


Finished reading population data. 136 populations found.
6 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Ukrainian @ 1.529746
2 Norwegian @ 2.149914
3 Scottish @ 3.269723
4 Czech @ 3.300160
5 Europe_LNBA @ 4.105214
6 English @ 4.222803
7 Icelandic @ 4.333046
8 Hungarian @ 4.793855
9 Estonian @ 6.106459
10 French @ 6.977277
11 Lithuanian @ 7.346979
12 Croatian @ 7.431808
13 Steppe_MLBA @ 8.431103
14 Russian @ 8.603109
15 Finnish @ 9.229048
16 Romanian @ 10.935899
17 Spanish @ 11.807930
18 Bulgarian @ 12.519464
19 Basque @ 12.991175
20 Albanian @ 17.522188

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Steppe_MLBA @ 1.310665


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Czech +25% Steppe_MLBA +25% Ukrainian @ 0.000000


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Adygei + Georgian + Hungarian_KO1 + Norwegian @ 0.000000
2 Adygei + Georgian + Norwegian + WHG @ 0.000000
3 Albanian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.000000
4 Bulgarian + Icelandic + Lithuanian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.000000
5 Czech + Czech + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.000000
6 Czech + Hungarian + Norwegian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.000000
7 French + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 0.000000
8 Lithuanian + Norwegian + Romanian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.000000
9 Lithuanian + Romanian + Scottish + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.000000
10 Hungarian + Norwegian + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.253991
11 Hungarian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.277896
12 Czech + English + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.291691
13 Croatian + Icelandic + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.303796
14 Europe_LNBA + Hungarian + Hungarian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.303916
15 English + Hungarian + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.307194
16 Estonian + Icelandic + Romanian + Steppe_MLBA @ 0.310349
17 Lithuanian + Romanian + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.322071
18 French + Norwegian + Steppe_MLBA + Ukrainian @ 0.328421
19 Czech + Georgian + Hungarian_KO1 + Kumyk @ 0.328841
20 Czech + Georgian + Kumyk + WHG @ 0.328841