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    Default Irish DNA originated in Middle East and eastern Europe


    Excavated near Belfast in 1855, the bones of this farmer had lain in a Neolithic tomb chamber for 5,000 years. Her DNA has now been sequenced. Photograph: Daniel Bradley, Trinity College Dublin.

    Tim Radford

    Monday 28 December 2015.

    Irish DNA originated in Middle East and eastern Europe

    Genome analysis shows mass migration of Stone Age farmers from Fertile Crescent and Bronze Age settlers from eastern Europe was foundation of Celtic population.

    Scientists from Dublin and Belfast have looked deep into Ireland’s early history to discover a still-familiar pattern of migration: of stone age settlers with origins in the Fertile Crescent, and bronze age economic migrants who began a journey somewhere in eastern Europe.

    The evidence has lain for more than 5,000 years in the bones of a woman farmer unearthed from a tomb in Ballynahatty, near Belfast, and in the remains of three men who lived between 3,000 and 4,000 years ago and were buried on Rathlin Island in County Antrim.

    Scientists at Trinity College Dublin used a technique called whole-genome analysis to “read” not the unique characteristics of each individual, but a wider history of ancestral migration and settlement in the DNA from all four bodies.

    They confirm a picture that has been emerging for decades from archaeological studies. Migrant communities did not compete with the original Irish. They became the Irish.

    The ancestors of the Stone Age farmers began their journey in the Bible lands, where agriculture first began, and arrived in Ireland perhaps via the southern Mediterranean. They brought with them cattle, cereals, ceramics and a tendency to black hair and brown eyes.


    A reconstruction of the Ballynahatty Neolithic skull by Elizabeth Black. Her genes tell us she had black hair and brown eyes. Photograph: Barrie Hartwell.

    These settlers were followed by people, initially from the Pontic steppe of southern Russia, who knew how to mine for copper and work with gold, and who carried the genetic variant for a blood disorder called haemochromatosis, a hereditary genetic condition so common in Ireland that it is sometimes called Celtic disease.

    These people also brought with them the inherited variation that permits the digestion of milk in maturity – much of the world becomes intolerant to the milk sugar lactose after infancy – and they may even have brought the language that became what is now Irish. Some of them, too, had blue eyes.

    “There was a great wave of genome change that swept into Europe from above the Black Sea into Bronze Age Europe and we now know it washed all the way to the shores of its most westerly island,” said Dan Bradley, professor of population genetics at Trinity College Dublin.

    “And this degree of genetic change invites the possibility of other associated changes, perhaps even the introduction of language ancestral to western Celtic tongues.”

    The Dublin team and colleagues from Queens University Belfast report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences that the two great changes in European prehistory – the emergence of agriculture and the advance of metallurgy – were not just culture shifts: they came with new blood. An earlier population of hunter gatherers was successively overwhelmed by new arrivals. And in Ireland, these new settlers began to define a nation.

    “These findings,” the authors say, “suggest the establishment of central attributes of the Irish genome 4,000 years ago.”


    Geneticists from Trinity College Dublin, and archaeologists from Queens University Belfast, speak about their discoveries.

    Working from the principle that any human DNA tells a story not just of individual identity but of ten thousand years of ancestry, researchers have begun to piece together the entire story of Homo sapiens. The story is incomplete, and under constant revision, but the outline of the settlement of Europe and Asia told by DNA confirms and illuminates the archaeological evidence.

    Modern humans arrived in the British Isles relatively late after the end of the Ice Age. Evidence of early settlement in Ireland is sketchy and indirect: in 2013, researchers looked at the DNA of the Irish banded wood snail and identified it as closely related to the species found in the French Pyrenees. The best explanation so far is that these snails may have arrived 8,000 years ago as the leftovers from the packed lunch, so to speak, of a much earlier community of European traders or migrants. Nobody can say who these people may have been, or why they arrived with a taste for escargots.

    But the latest study throws more light on the birth of a nation. All three dead men from Rathlin Island carried what is now the most common type of Irish Y chromosome, inherited only from male forebears.

    “It is clear that this project has demonstrated what a powerful tool ancient DNA analysis can provide in answering questions which have long perplexed academics regarding the origins of the Irish,” said Eileen Murphy, who lectures in osteoarchaeology at Queen’s in Belfast.

    And Lara Cassidy, a researcher in genetics at Trinity College Dublin and another co-author, said “Genetic affinity is strongest between Bronze Age genomes and modern Irish, Scottish and Welsh, suggesting establishment of central attributes of the insular Celtic genome 4,000 years ago.”

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    This is the dna report. The headlines are a bit unfortunate. Most newspaper articles do not do a good job explaining genetics.


    The 3 Rathlin genomes are closer to modern day Irish and are all R1b-L21 hinting at population turnover in the Bronze Age.

    http://www.pnas.org/content/113/2/368.full.pdf

    Sorry missed out about the Neolithic woman. She was European Farmer with HG and was closest to modern day Sardinians and Spanish. The Sardinians are the closest population to ENF so that makes sense.
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    It's sensationalist and politically correct bullshit from the media, as if they want you to believe it's a mix of modern middle-easterns and east-europeans, it's not like that. The farmers were Sardinian-like, europeans already, and the "east-europeans" was the Steppe input (Yamnaya-like) brought from continental bronze age europeans, who were nordic-like mostly. The Bronze Age Rathlin scores mostly Norwegian on the autosomal calculators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    It's sensationalist and politically correct bullshit from the media, as if they want you to believe it's a mix of modern middle-easterns and east-europeans, it's not like that. The farmers were Sardinian-like, europeans already, and the "east-europeans" was the Steppe input (Yamnaya-like) brought from continental bronze age europeans, who were nordic-like mostly. The Bronze Age Rathlin scores mostly Norwegian on the autosomal calculators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Numidia View Post
    You can laugh all you want, it's like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    You can laugh all you want, it's like that.
    Sardinians are only mediterranean

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    Here's one of the Rathlin Islander's Eurogenes K13 and K15

    K13

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 49.94
    2 Baltic 27.52
    3 West_Asian 7.16
    4 West_Med 6.48
    5 South_Asian 3.40
    6 Amerindian 2.20
    7 Sub-Saharan 1.91
    8 Red_Sea 1.06


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Norwegian @ 5.854991
    2 Swedish @ 6.378155
    3 Danish @ 6.435699
    4 North_Dutch @ 6.943228
    5 North_German @ 7.111557
    6 Irish @ 8.086287
    7 Orcadian @ 8.527667
    8 West_Scottish @ 8.822106
    9 Southeast_English @ 10.981000
    10 Southwest_English @ 11.587136
    11 North_Swedish @ 12.113091
    12 South_Dutch @ 14.523604
    13 West_German @ 15.031170
    14 East_German @ 17.276731
    15 Austrian @ 17.773823
    16 Southwest_Finnish @ 21.165777
    17 French @ 21.226280
    18 Hungarian @ 21.971560
    19 South_Polish @ 25.624912
    20 La_Brana-1 @ 26.125484

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Danish +50% Swedish @ 5.763251


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Swedish +25% Swedish +25% West_Scottish @ 5.718463


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.654887
    2 Danish + Irish + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.673533
    3 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.695946
    4 Irish + Swedish + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.708336
    5 Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 5.714194
    6 North_German + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.717242
    7 Swedish + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 5.718463
    8 Irish + North_German + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.726860
    9 Danish + Norwegian + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.727204
    10 Danish + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 5.735286
    11 North_German + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 5.738239
    12 North_German + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 5.744429
    13 Danish + Danish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.755604
    14 Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.760739
    15 Danish + Danish + Swedish + Swedish @ 5.763251
    16 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.771631
    17 Irish + North_German + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.772011
    18 Danish + North_German + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.800724
    19 Danish + Norwegian + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 5.815938
    20 Danish + Irish + Norwegian + Swedish @ 5.816245

    Eurogenes K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 32.45
    2 North_Sea 31.58
    3 Baltic 12.95
    4 Eastern_Euro 11.65
    5 West_Asian 3.29
    6 South_Asian 3.17
    7 Amerindian 1.87
    8 Sub-Saharan 1.59
    9 West_Med 1.39


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 North_German @ 8.570560
    2 Danish @ 9.199459
    3 Irish @ 9.273491
    4 West_Scottish @ 9.632721
    5 Southeast_English @ 10.713849
    6 North_Dutch @ 10.812980
    7 Orcadian @ 12.363866
    8 Southwest_English @ 12.692083
    9 South_Dutch @ 13.515372
    10 Norwegian @ 13.539064
    11 Swedish @ 13.852389
    12 North_Swedish @ 14.337133
    13 West_Norwegian @ 14.958194
    14 Southwest_Finnish @ 15.931392
    15 East_German @ 16.537271
    16 West_German @ 16.948147
    17 Austrian @ 19.163883
    18 French @ 19.201525
    19 Finnish @ 20.197750
    20 La_Brana-1 @ 21.321207

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +50% North_German @ 8.413251


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Irish +25% La_Brana-1 +25% West_Scottish @ 7.791201


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Irish + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.791089
    2 Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish @ 7.791201
    3 La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.810342
    4 Irish + Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 @ 7.810678
    5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_Finnish @ 7.922435
    6 Irish + Irish + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 7.980188
    7 La_Brana-1 + North_German + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 7.996135
    8 Irish + Irish + North_German + Southwest_Finnish @ 8.002673
    9 Danish + Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 @ 8.004673
    10 Danish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish @ 8.007087
    11 Irish + La_Brana-1 + North_German + West_Scottish @ 8.020887
    12 Danish + La_Brana-1 + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.028337
    13 Irish + North_German + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish @ 8.034504
    14 Irish + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.055216
    15 Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + North_German @ 8.064316
    16 Irish + La_Brana-1 + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 8.069336
    17 La_Brana-1 + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.069387
    18 North_German + Southwest_Finnish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.080923
    19 Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + Southeast_English @ 8.087984
    20 Irish + Irish + La_Brana-1 + Orcadian @ 8.140745

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    Here is Ballynahatty (the Farmer woman). Her distances are quite large but not too bad in the mixed mode.

    Eurogenes K13

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 47.68
    2 North_Atlantic 35.79
    3 East_Med 11.51
    4 Red_Sea 2.28
    5 Sub-Saharan 1.25


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Sardinian @ 17.390408
    2 Spanish_Andalucia @ 21.153591
    3 Spanish_Aragon @ 21.388075
    4 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 22.216938
    5 Spanish_Cantabria @ 22.655045
    6 Southwest_French @ 23.102900
    7 French_Basque @ 23.181374
    8 Spanish_Valencia @ 23.470150
    9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 23.563278
    10 Spanish_Murcia @ 24.224382
    11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.966810
    12 Spanish_Galicia @ 25.053259
    13 Portuguese @ 25.606810
    14 Spanish_Cataluna @ 25.908987
    15 North_Italian @ 27.481539
    16 Tuscan @ 31.633749
    17 French @ 34.293472
    18 West_Sicilian @ 36.280457
    19 Italian_Abruzzo @ 38.689632
    20 Greek_Thessaly @ 40.212597

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +50% Sardinian @ 6.013122


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Sardinian +25% Sardinian @ 6.013122


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 6.013122
    2 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 7.722495
    3 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.164503
    4 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.200594
    5 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 8.234268
    6 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 8.246581
    7 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 8.564336
    8 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 8.763278
    9 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 8.798873
    10 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 8.827187
    11 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 8.877084
    12 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 9.028389
    13 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 9.157233
    14 French_Basque + Portuguese + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 9.270640
    15 Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 10.427945
    16 French_Basque + North_Italian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.513912
    17 Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon @ 10.754410
    18 Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 10.825730
    19 French + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.903977
    20 Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 11.011495

    K15

    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Med 43.20
    2 Atlantic 32.67
    3 North_Sea 8.68
    4 East_Med 6.79
    5 Red_Sea 3.22
    6 Baltic 2.84
    7 Northeast_African 1.36


    Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
    15 components mode.

    --------------------------------

    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Sardinian @ 16.882845
    2 Spanish_Andalucia @ 22.449144
    3 Spanish_Aragon @ 22.657663
    4 Spanish_Cantabria @ 23.047537
    5 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 23.364517
    6 Southwest_French @ 23.367498
    7 Spanish_Valencia @ 24.162933
    8 French_Basque @ 24.407244
    9 Spanish_Extremadura @ 25.631145
    10 Spanish_Murcia @ 26.030865
    11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 26.239521
    12 Portuguese @ 26.669016
    13 Spanish_Cataluna @ 27.207272
    14 Spanish_Galicia @ 27.800713
    15 North_Italian @ 28.018848
    16 Tuscan @ 32.539291
    17 French @ 35.863754
    18 West_Sicilian @ 37.222748
    19 Mozabite_Berber @ 38.919090
    20 Greek @ 39.274750

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +50% Sardinian @ 8.355703


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% French_Basque +25% Sardinian +25% Sardinian @ 8.355703


    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 French_Basque + French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 8.355703
    2 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 9.209948
    3 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 9.627976
    4 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon @ 9.637415
    5 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 9.652157
    6 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 9.944328
    7 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Andalucia @ 10.103106
    8 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Valencia @ 10.352633
    9 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 10.675622
    10 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Extremadura @ 10.738104
    11 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Murcia @ 10.852541
    12 French_Basque + Portuguese + Sardinian + Sardinian @ 10.991737
    13 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Cataluna @ 10.996375
    14 French_Basque + Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Galicia @ 11.151086
    15 Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Aragon @ 11.601779
    16 Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Aragon @ 11.644949
    17 Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French + Southwest_French @ 11.706481
    18 Sardinian + Sardinian + Spanish_Aragon + Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.752247
    19 Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French + Spanish_Cantabria @ 11.794270
    20 Sardinian + Sardinian + Sardinian + Southwest_French @ 11.891145

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    This is the dna report. The headlines are a bit unfortunate. Most newspaper articles do not do a good job explaining genetics..
    As usual, and not only with Irish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    It's sensationalist and politically correct bullshit from the media, as if they want you to believe it's a mix of modern middle-easterns and east-europeans, it's not like that. The farmers were Sardinian-like, europeans already, and the "east-europeans" was the Steppe input (Yamnaya-like) brought from continental bronze age europeans, who were nordic-like mostly. The Bronze Age Rathlin scores mostly Norwegian on the autosomal calculators.
    Yamnaya were not exactly nordic-like, though significantly influenced by EHGs, where is actually no current population what would've resembeled Yamnaya's genetically.

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