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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Yamnaya were not exactly nordic-like, though significantly influenced by EHGs, where is actually no current population what would've resembeled Yamnaya's genetically.
    Does yamna skulls significantly resemble EHG's?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Does yamna skulls significantly resemble EHG's?
    To a certain degree yes, Yamnaya skulls were described as being predominantly paleoeuropoid in type, which is a soviet term, similar to what western anthropologists called cromagnoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Yamnaya were not exactly nordic-like, though significantly influenced by EHGs, where is actually no current population what would've resembeled Yamnaya's genetically.
    I didn't say Yamnaya was nordic. I said the central-european bronze age that went to British Isles. The Yamnaya was the responsible for the steppe admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    I didn't say Yamnaya was nordic. I said the central-european bronze age that went to British Isles. The Yamnaya was the responsible for the steppe admixture.
    Ah, that way you're entirely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    To a certain degree yes, Yamnaya skulls were described as being predominantly paleoeuropoid in type, which is a soviet term, similar to what western anthropologists called cromagnoid.
    If so, why is Russian anthropologists not to mention EHG culture, but "afanasievo, andronovo and yamna", when they say about "paleoeuropid"? Another interesting thing is " afanasievo" was always mentioned first w/o exception.

    In Soviet science to paleoevropeytsam decided to apply anthropological designation of " paleo race ." [ 2 ]
    Paleo race ( paleo type , proto-European type ( race ), the northern race , severoevropeoidny type , kromanidny type ) is characterized by a massive face , brahikefaliey , large ( acting ) nose , massive physique , svetlopigmentirovannostyu ( that is, hair , eyes , skin .). [ 3 ] The origin of the type associated with the Cro-Magnon , [ 4 ] [ 5 ] are typical representatives of this race were representatives Afanasiev archaeological culture ( III of - the beginning of II thousand . To n . Oe .), Tagar culture ( VIII of - III of centuries . To n . E .), Andronovo culture ( 2300 to n . e -. 1000 to the n . e ), the pit culture ( 3600 - 2300 up to n . e ). carcass cultures ( 1700 - 1200 cc . to n . Oe .), the Scythian population Pazyryk culture ( VII of - II of centuries . to n . e .) and others [ 6 ] . Differences types of races for the different cultures were in the size and proportions of the face spread which is negligible .
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    Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online. In physical anthropology and scientific racism, Paleo-European is a term for the supposedly native populations of Europe descended directly from Cro-Magnon. There was a concept of a "Paleo-European race" (палеоевропеоидная раса) in Soviet anthropology, considered a subtype of the Europid race (Европеоидная раса). The type was also called "Proto-European" (протоевропейский), "Nordic" (северная раса, североевропеоидный тип) or "Cro-Magnid" (кроманьидный тип). The type was especially associated with the Chalcolithic to Bronze Age Afanasevo, the Andronovo and the Yamna cultures
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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    If so, why is Russian anthropologists not to mention EHG culture, but "afanasievo, andronovo and yamna", when they say about "paleoeuropid"? Another interesting thing is " afanasievo" was always mentioned first w/o exception.


    http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/668438


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    Ehm, because EHG is a name of genetic component and has nothing to do with anthropology?

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    Most Europeans are a mixture of different Ancient people that came outside Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not a Cop View Post
    Ehm, because EHG is a name of genetic component and has nothing to do with anthropology?
    I am not here to debate, but to learn. I think you have lots of knowledge about Russian anthropology.
    I think clearly paleo type people appeared at the west steppe during during bronze age. And best sample is afanasivo skull. Do you have any photo of elongated afanasievo skulls to post?
    I think the paleo type people spread IndonEuropean language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IceT View Post
    Most Europeans are a mixture of different Ancient people that came outside Europe
    Yes true but the European Neolithic Farmer groups are different than present day Middle Easterners. All populations have been in flux in the past and lots of people have also moved into the Middle East and other areas of the world. The people that were the ancestors of present day Europeans are not the same as the people that now occupy the areas they came from. There are no groups of people exactly like those ancient people present now. The people most similar to ENF now are the Sardinians.

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