Racial classification within the White Family + a list of non-existant phenotypes

[cosmoo]

Here is a chart I made based on classification system from "The Races of Europe" by C.S. Coon (chapter VIII, section 6), together with a list of invented phenotypes with no basis in reality.


Below is a short list of non-existant European phenotypes, with no basis in reality, which are both products of anthrotard internet “experts” and real “anthropologists”.

Totally non-existant phenotypes:

1. East Mediterranid
No anthropologist ever used this type. People that get classified as so usually have absolutely no metrical difference from Gracile/Atlanto-Mediterraneans.

2. West Baltid/(”common”) Baltid/”east” (“mongoloid” Baltid)/Kurganoid/etc.
All of these types don’t exist. There is only one type, named Baltic by some anthropologists, and East Baltic by Coon (because it’s found on eastern shores of Baltic sea). It is type derived from basal Ladogan type, heavily mixed with Corded, Hallstatt, and western UP. Any of these types can become more express in this mixture, for this type is not a stable blend, but a very variable one. Comment from TRoE photographic plate:
Fig. 5 (3 views). A Finn from Tampere, Tavastehus. This man seems to show more evidence of Nordic influence than the others. As these pictures show, the East Baltic is not a stable or a basic racial type, but a variable blend. (C.S. Coon, “The Races of Europe”, photographic supplement)

Phenotypes which have been described but have no basis in reality:

3. Faelid
A type invented by Gunther, a politically-motivated creation just like rest of his phenotypes. He glorified Nordic race as a part of Nazi ideology, but as the time went by, it was discovered that Germany’s greatest figures (like Leibniz, Kant and Schopenhauer) were all brachycephalic. So he conveniently created “Faelisch” type, which consisted of individuals that would be classified by Coon and others as Borreby, East Baltic, Brunn and Alpine, and he defined it as a sub-type of Nordid race.
This is what imaginary “Faelid” was supposed to look like:


If you learned anthropology from internet forums, rather than from books, then these examples will be a huge surprise for you…

4. Strandid
A type designed by Lundman (and used by no one other than himself) as a “Scandinavian variant of Alpine”. Needless to say, there is not a single trait which separates them from Alpines elsewhere, making this type wrong in its root.

5. Berid
CM-Mediterranean-Alpine mixture. Clearly not a type of its own.

6. Paleo-Atlantid/Tydal
Supposed pigmented, unreduced, dolichocephalic Upper Palaeolithic survivor of northwestern parts of Europe. Not only does this type appear extremely rarely, but Lundman’s own examples contradict his description of this type. As is the case with rest of his types described here, they were used by no one other than himself. His pictorial example of the type (you don’t get any FURTHER from unreduced CM than many of people on photo):

7. Gorid
Supposed eastern European version of Alpine. As is the case with Strandid, there is nothing which separates it from regular Alpine.

Blatantly fake types which need no further explanation:

8. Baskid
9. Mtebid/Caucasid
10. Aisto Nordid/East Nordid
11. Paleo-Pontid/Pre-Slavic

[Tschaikisten]

[Enflamme]

Finally ! It is good to denounce all these piles of false types (there are many, many, many, many): people use terms to designate types that do not even exist. I was deceived, I myself believed that all these types existed. I even wonder if the "Atlantid" type exists and if it is not actually a "Atlanto-Med" type, because i often do not see the difference between "Atlantid" type and "Atlanto-Med" : maybe just a small difference in pigmentation, not really in the facial features. I think there can be a lot of "depigmented". An Atlanto-Med man with light hair and clear eyes remains the same type as another Atlanto-Med man with dark skin, dark hair and brown eyes.

It's good to put your knowledge at the service of the verity, Cosmoo!

[Bell Beaker]

According to this plates I am Gracile Mediterranean.

Always thought so!

[Pigling]

Does Pontid/North Pontid exist or it's just Atlantid/North Atlantid from Eastern Europe?

[Hadouken]

there is an error in your thinking

only because certain types havent been mentioned by anthropologists it doesnt mean that there is no sense in seeing new types

for example ..there IS East Mediterranid pheno

look at this :

East Mediterranids are long headed Med types from the eastern mediterranean region . of course there are also some differences between european east meds and west asian east meds but they are also similar

some examples [/b]

Syrian


Turks










Lebanese


Greek



Lebanese



Cappadocian Med plate :
FIG. 1 (3 views). A Turk from Kharput, eastern Turkey. This moderately tall, brunet Mediterranean Turk is remarkable for his considerable head length, and especially for the great height of his upper face and nose.



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also how does Faelid not exist ?

[Amud]

There are actually several major issues with Coon's taxonomy which I would like to point out.


Classification of Nordics

The Hallstat-Danubian-Corded idea just doesn't make sense. First of all, his Danubians are short-headed, wide-nosed and some of his examples had dark hair, so I don't see why they should be considered to have anything to do with Nordics. Second, the distinction between Corded and Hallstat seems arbitrary. His Hallstat examples might be a bit smaller-headed than the Cordeds, but there is a. no clear dividing line and b. no real reason to assume that the Hallstats are influenced by the Danubian type, which was just a weird assumption he made.

Classification of Mediterraneans

Coon describes the Atlanto-Mediterranean as the "Galley Hill / Combe Capelle type" and claimed that Mediterraneans had no Neanderthal admixture. There are some issues here:

*We now know that everyone has Neanderthal admixture, and Combe Capelle seems to have more similarity with Neanderthals compared to most living Europeans
*Coon's examples of "Atlanto-Mediterraneans" do not resemble the Combe Capelle skull
*Coon's examples of "Atlanto-Mediterraneans", "Small Mediterraneans", and "Pontic Mediterraneans" are often difficult to tell apart and while the average appearance and metrics might be a bit different, there is no clear dividing line between those types and his assignment of the seems mostly arbitrary.

Combe Capelle skull:



A "Capelloid" living individual (Coon would probably have called him Brunn and not Atlanto-Mediterranean)



Classification of East Baltics

Coon claimed that the basic East European type was divided into two types. The Neo-Danubian was a mix of Danubian and Ladogan and was more common in Slavic countries, while the East Baltic had additional Corded and Borreby influence and was more common in Finland and the Baltic states.

*his ideas about how these types were formed seem to be pure conjecture
*his distinction between East Baltics and Neo-Danubians has no clear dividing line and seems somewhat arbitrary
*if you look at typical Slavic people, you will probably take note that they look a bit like Coon's Neo-Danubians but have less obvious Ladogan features. Coon did not take that into account and makes it sound like Slavs typically have upturned noses and receding chins.

[RN97]

Isn't gorid just alpine + baltid admixture though?

[cosmoo]

there is an error in your thinking
only because certain types havent been mentioned by anthropologists it doesnt mean that there is no sense in seeing new types
for example ..there IS East Mediterranid pheno

also how does Faelid not exist ?

No, it means it simply doesn't exist.
In anthropology, metrics, morphology of soft body parts, and pigmentation are the only things that matter, and "East Mediterraneans" don't differ in those from other Mediterraneans. Subjectively perceived "vibe" means nothing in anthropology.

also how does Faelid not exist ?

Read in text posted above, or read here: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4200427

Isn't gorid just alpine + baltid admixture though?

It may be (from what I've seen people that get classified as "Gorid" are usually between Alpine and Neo-Danubian), but it is stupid to create a new type for every mixture possible on planet. It is not a stabilized type.

[Hadouken]

btw. some anthroplogists were trolling . I wouldnt look too much at them as the be all end all

I mean look at this bullshit : "north european type"