Prehistoric Romanian (~40,000 years old) in GEDmatch

[Peterski]

Oase-1 GEDmatch kit T732095
Native Australian kit Z905945

Gedrosia K6 calculator:

1) Oase1 Romania 41,640-37,580 ybp:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 28.53
2 East_Asian 18.24
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 16.79
4 Natufian 15.61
5 Sub_Saharan 11.06
6 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 9.77

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bengali 22.31
2 Palliyar 22.38
3 Kharia 25.02
4 Paniyas 25.5
5 Punjabi_PJL 27.6
6 GujaratiD 28.6
7 GoyetQ116 29.96
8 GujaratiC 30.08
9 Burusho 31.11
10 GujaratiB 33.04
11 GujaratiA 33.24
12 Turkmen 33.25
13 Uzbek 34.35
14 Tajik 34.38
15 Punjabi 34.72
16 Pashtun_Afghan 35.02
17 Sindhi 36.71
18 Pathan 36.77
19 Kalash 37.56
20 Steppe_IA 37.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66% Kharia + 34% Moroccan @ 6.97
2 66.5% Kharia + 33.5% Algerian @ 7.51
3 67.5% Kharia + 32.5% Saharawi @ 7.76
4 66.1% Paniyas + 33.9% Moroccan @ 9.44
5 66.5% Paniyas + 33.5% Algerian @ 9.44
6 67.5% Paniyas + 32.5% Saharawi @ 9.69
7 67.1% Kharia + 32.9% Libyan @ 9.76
8 69.8% Palliyar + 30.2% Moroccan @ 10.09
9 70.1% Palliyar + 29.9% Algerian @ 10.12
10 71% Palliyar + 29% Saharawi @ 10.15
11 67.6% Kharia + 32.4% Egyptian @ 10.64
12 66.2% Kharia + 33.8% Yemeni @ 10.8
13 59.1% Palliyar + 40.9% GoyetQ116 @ 11.69
14 75.8% Palliyar + 24.2% Somali @ 11.96
15 55.6% Kharia + 44.4% GoyetQ116 @ 12.08
16 68.7% Kharia + 31.3% BedouinA @ 12.09
17 69.6% Kharia + 30.4% Jew_Libyan @ 12.17
18 70.4% Kharia + 29.6% Spanish @ 12.18
19 67.5% Paniyas + 32.5% Libyan @ 12.19
20 73.1% Kharia + 26.9% Somali @ 12.39

2) Native Australian 1850-1900 AD:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 90.27
2 East_Asian 5.69
3 Sub_Saharan 3.24
4 Natufian 0.42
5 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Onge 8.46
2 Australian 11.34
3 Andamanese 11.34
4 Papuan 11.34
5 Paniyas 50
6 Palliyar 55.51
7 Kharia 59.47
8 Bengali 71.01
9 Punjabi_PJL 73.41
10 GujaratiD 75.01
11 GujaratiC 76.65
12 GoyetQ116 81.42
13 GujaratiB 82.13
14 GujaratiA 83.5
15 Punjabi 85.48
16 Burusho 86.43
17 Sindhi 86.64
18 Kusunda 89.35
19 Pathan 89.43
20 Kalash 90.08

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.9% Andamanese + 9.1% Altaian @ 3.77
2 90.9% Australian + 9.1% Altaian @ 3.77
3 90.9% Papuan + 9.1% Altaian @ 3.77
4 90.7% Andamanese + 9.3% Kyrgyz @ 3.78
5 90.7% Australian + 9.3% Kyrgyz @ 3.78
6 90.7% Papuan + 9.3% Kyrgyz @ 3.78
7 91.3% Andamanese + 8.7% Kalmyk @ 3.84
8 91.3% Australian + 8.7% Kalmyk @ 3.84
9 91.3% Papuan + 8.7% Kalmyk @ 3.84
10 89.4% Andamanese + 10.6% Kusunda @ 3.97
11 89.4% Australian + 10.6% Kusunda @ 3.97
12 89.4% Papuan + 10.6% Kusunda @ 3.97
13 90.3% Andamanese + 9.7% Sherpa @ 4.02
14 90.3% Australian + 9.7% Sherpa @ 4.02
15 90.3% Papuan + 9.7% Sherpa @ 4.02
16 91.6% Andamanese + 8.4% Eskimo @ 4.12
17 91.6% Australian + 8.4% Eskimo @ 4.12
18 91.6% Papuan + 8.4% Eskimo @ 4.12
19 90.5% Andamanese + 9.5% Cambodian @ 4.12
20 90.5% Australian + 9.5% Cambodian @ 4.12

MDLP K23b calculator:

1) Oase1 Romania 41,640-37,580 ybp:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 South_Indian 22.92
2 European_Early_Farmers 12.52
3 Austronesian 11.88
4 Subsaharian 9.73
5 South_Central_Asian 8.73
6 Melano_Polynesian 7.48
7 Australoid 6.62
8 Paleo_Siberian 4.32
9 African_Pygmy 4.22
10 Archaic_African 3.69
11 European_Hunters_Gatherers 3.42
12 North_African 2.15
13 Khoisan 1.39
14 Ancestral_Altaic 0.74
15 Archaic_Human 0.19

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ayta_AE ( ) 28.13
2 Kensiu ( ) 34.58
3 Mamanawa ( ) 34.92
4 Nepalese ( ) 35.11
5 Tamil_Singapore ( ) 37.3
6 Ati ( ) 38.9
7 Jatt_Haryana ( ) 38.99
8 Hindi ( ) 39
9 Jatt_Muslim ( ) 39.17
10 Cochin_Jew ( ) 39.26
11 Tiwari ( ) 39.54
12 Marathi ( ) 39.9
13 Agta_AG ( ) 40.02
14 Uygur-Han ( ) 40.03
15 Jehai ( ) 40.05
16 Burusho ( ) 40.24
17 GujaratiA_GIH ( ) 40.32
18 Pahari ( ) 40.46
19 Aeta ( ) 40.88
20 Agta ( ) 41.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.2% Onge ( ) + 49.8% Puerto_Rican ( ) @ 20.75
2 76% Ayta_AE ( ) + 24% Spanish_Pais_Vasco_IBS ( ) @ 20.81
3 78.4% Ayta_AE ( ) + 21.6% Basque_French ( ) @ 20.94
4 78.2% Ayta_AE ( ) + 21.8% Basque_Spanish ( ) @ 20.99
5 66.3% Ayta_AE ( ) + 33.7% Puerto_Rican ( ) @ 21.09
6 74.8% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.2% French_South ( ) @ 21.2
7 74.3% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.7% Spanish_Cantabria_IBS ( ) @ 21.46
8 74.4% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.6% Spanish_Aragon_IBS ( ) @ 21.47
9 74.6% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.4% Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS ( ) @ 21.63
10 57.2% Tamil_Singapore ( ) + 42.8% Australian_ECCAC ( ) @ 21.67
11 74.8% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.2% Spanish_Valencia_IBS ( ) @ 21.77
12 54.5% Tamil_Singapore ( ) + 45.5% Puerto_Rican ( ) @ 21.78
13 73.7% Ayta_AE ( ) + 26.3% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 21.79
14 72.5% Ayta_AE ( ) + 27.5% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 21.8
15 69.4% Ayta_AE ( ) + 30.6% Orcadian ( ) @ 21.81
16 73.6% Ayta_AE ( ) + 26.4% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 21.83
17 74.7% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.3% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( ) @ 21.84
18 73.6% Ayta_AE ( ) + 26.4% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 21.87
19 74.3% Ayta_AE ( ) + 25.7% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 21.91
20 69.6% Ayta_AE ( ) + 30.4% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR ( ) @ 21.94

2) Native Australian 1850-1900 AD:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Australoid 51.38
2 Melano_Polynesian 39.18
3 South_Indian 4.35
4 South_East_Asian 2.58
5 Archaic_Human 1.86
6 Archaic_African 0.65

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Australian ( ) 4.6
2 Australian_ECCAC ( ) 25.13
3 Alorese ( ) 41.71
4 Lembata ( ) 50.3
5 Lamaholt ( ) 51.8
6 Manggarai ( ) 59.37
7 Ayta_AE ( ) 60.25
8 Naasioi ( ) 61.45
9 Mamanawa ( ) 65.33
10 Kambera ( ) 65.4
11 Papuan ( ) 65.96
12 Ati ( ) 67.43
13 Kosipe ( ) 67.58
14 Koinanbe ( ) 67.63
15 Agta_AG ( ) 70.14
16 Tongan ( ) 71.09
17 Aeta ( ) 73.45
18 Agta ( ) 73.54
19 Saami ( ) 74.27
20 Kensiu ( ) 74.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Paniya ( ) @ 3.65
2 96.7% Australian ( ) + 3.3% Onge ( ) @ 3.68
3 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Malayan ( ) @ 3.69
4 97.6% Australian ( ) + 2.4% Pulliyar ( ) @ 3.69
5 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Santhal ( ) @ 3.69
6 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Nihali ( ) @ 3.7
7 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Dhurwa ( ) @ 3.71
8 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Bhunjia ( ) @ 3.72
9 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% TN_Dalit ( ) @ 3.73
10 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Hallaki ( ) @ 3.73
11 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Kurumba ( ) @ 3.73
12 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Madiga ( ) @ 3.73
13 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Mala ( ) @ 3.74
14 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Chamar ( ) @ 3.75
15 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Hakkipikki ( ) @ 3.75
16 97.4% Australian ( ) + 2.6% Kharia ( ) @ 3.75
17 97.5% Australian ( ) + 2.5% Sakilli ( ) @ 3.76
18 96.2% Australian ( ) + 3.8% Papuan ( ) @ 3.78
19 96.3% Australian ( ) + 3.7% Koinanbe ( ) @ 3.78
20 96.3% Australian ( ) + 3.7% Kosipe ( ) @ 3.78

[RN97]

prehistoric Romanians were Indians?

[Peterski]

prehistoric Romanians were Indians?

Kind of.

Oase-1 had Y-DNA haplogroup NO (K2a):

https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstr....Revision2.pdf

The same haplogroup was found in a modern South Asian Telugu individual:

(...) a lineage carried by a South Asian Telugu individual, HG03742, enabled us to refine early differentiation within the K2a clade ~50 kya. Using the high resolving power of the SNVs in our phylogeny, we determined that this lineage split off from the branch leading to haplogroups N and O (NO) not long after the ancestors of two individuals with well known ancient DNA (aDNA) sequences did. Ust’-Ishim and Oase1 lived in Western Siberia 43–47 kya and Romania 37–42 kya, respectively. Their Y chromosomes join HG03742 in sharing with haplogroup NO the derived T allele at M2308 (GRCh37 Y:7,690,182), and the modern sample shares just four additional mutations (SI 4.4.11) with the NO clade. (...)

Wikipedia about haplogroup NO (K2a):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_NO

Telugu people of India:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_people

Check also, "Angry Negrito admixture":

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-Angry-Negrito

[RN97]

Kind of.

Oase-1 had Y-DNA haplogroup NO (K2a):

https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstr....Revision2.pdf

The same haplogroup was found in a modern South Asian Telugu individual:



Wikipedia about haplogroup NO (K2a):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_NO

That's quite crazy. Where did they go then? Were they exterminated or something?

[Peterski]

That's quite crazy. Where did they go then? Were they exterminated or something?

Either they got extinct, or maybe they went to India ???

[Ülev]

Haplogroup LT or L298/P326, also known as K1 (and previously as Haplogroup K2), is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. Its defining SNP mutations are L298 and P326.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_LT

[Peterski]

But Oase-1 was NO, not LT. Check the modern distribution of NO:

[Bell Beaker]

ORIGINAL EUROPEANS WERE FROM INDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Prehistoric Europeans were more mixed than I thought

so Australian aborigine = south Eurasian?

[Peterski]

ORIGINAL EUROPEANS WERE FROM INDIA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Gypsies are direct descendants of Oase-1, the First Nations of Romania?