2017 Turkish referendum

[Turkminator]

Yes presidency-Federalism is to unite fragments but when you apply it to a already Unitarian state, that divides. And to avoid dictatorship in presidential system you must limit powers of president and strengthen local authorities (path for disintegration).Wolves voted NO and you should be happy Erdogan only won phyrric victory with Kurds exposed to be Yes voters. He is uncomfortable. He lost all western Turkey now and he will seek compromises. You say his aides and experts. His aides are people who say Federalism is good and state must be fragmented according to ethnic areas.



With Erdogan you cant go to Ergenekon. He will lead you to Syria where his policy lost (millions refugees) or to Egypt or Kurds.

This system is our victory, so we will pave the way for Ergenekon. We have had a parliamentary system in Turkey for almost 200 years, and the consequence was that for the last 200 years, we had had a total of seven military coups, two Sultans were killed, a Prime Minister was hanged, many Prime Ministers were deposed, and the consequence was that of Turkey for 200 years.

No one who has dealt extensively with this system can be against this referendum -Erdogan comes and goes, important is only what remains.

[Böri]

Enough discussion about this, especially in a environment full of Greek vultures. İ said what I must said.
The logical consequence of Presidency this is the federal system and in the case of Turkey where terrorists control a minority region it's risky as f*ck. Erdogan is a dreamer, people around him made him believe he's the leader of all Muslims, a sort of Mahdi (we saw his dramatic defeat in Syria and he bring here refugees). I think this pushed him to this path.
Last note: military putsches, Janisseries putsching Sultans also happent prior to Ottoman parliament system.

[Turkminator]

Enough discussion about this, especially in a environment full of Greek vultures. İ said what I must said.
The logical consequence of Presidency this is the federal system and in the case of Turkey where terrorists control a minority region it's risky as f*ck. Erdogan is a dreamer, people around him made him believe he's the leader of all Muslims, a sort of Mahdi (we saw his dramatic defeat in Syria and he bring here refugees). I think this pushed him to this path.
Last note: military putsches, Janisseries putsching Sultans also happent prior to Ottoman parliament system.

Kiros are crying in the streets of Germany, because they have entry bans in Turkey, now. The current situation is better than in the past parliamentary system. In the new system, the division of forces is more evident than the old system. If you deal with it very intensively, you will also see it.

[Melki]

This referendum reminds me in many ways what's happening in countries like Hungary and Russia, the proof that Turkey definitely belongs to the Eastern bloc of Europe (despite its NATO membership). The people who voted in favor of Erdoğan were the same who usually support Putin and Orbán: rather old, poor, rural, uneducated, excessively religious. If you live in a timber house near Novossibirsk, you generally acclaim Putin, but not if your residence is located in downtown Moscow. Same with Hungary. Nowhere else than in Budapest, Viktor Orbán is so unpopular.

In Turkey, people who demonstrated for the "no" were usually young, urban, middle-class, educated and secularised or non-religious.
AKP lost major cities like İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir, Adana, Diyarbakır, Mersin...
I wouldn't say its a complete victory for "evet", it's rather the opposite. Like everywhere in Eastern Europe, time is with the youth.

[Dandelion]

Yes, we are all kicked out of the Greek military when we finish our duties as conscripts, except from those who want to follow a military career. Gays are not allowed to join the army in the first place, thus no, I was never a gay.

No Sacred Band of Thebes in Modern Greece in other words.

[Ryujin]

This referendum reminds me in many ways what's happening in countries like Hungary and Russia, the proof that Turkey definitely belongs to the Eastern bloc of Europe (despite its NATO membership). The people who voted in favor of Erdoğan were the same who usually support Putin and Orbán: rather old, poor, rural, uneducated, excessively religious. If you live in a timber house near Novossibirsk, you generally acclaim Putin, but not if your residence is located in downtown Moscow. Same with Hungary. Nowhere else than in Budapest, Viktor Orbán is so unpopular.

In Turkey, people who demonstrated for the "no" were usually young, urban, middle-class, educated and secularised or non-religious.
AKP lost major cities like İstanbul, Ankara, İzmir, Adana, Diyarbakır, Mersin...
I wouldn't say its a complete victory for "evet", it's rather the opposite. Like everywhere in Eastern Europe, time is with the youth.

Amongst the ones who voted for the first time; No leads with %58.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Kiros are crying in the streets of Germany, because they have entry bans in Turkey, now. The current situation is better than in the past parliamentary system. In the new system, the division of forces is more evident than the old system. If you deal with it very intensively, you will also see it.

Congratulations for ruining your tourist income.

Sultan Mad Terrorist does a really good job of ruining his enemies, and those are the Kemalists in the Aegean coasts... Expect more terrorist attacks from Islamists, until all Kemalists run away from Turkey...

[zghiara]

Who do you think Erdogan wants to win the presidential election?

[Laberia]

Yes, we are all kicked out of the Greek military when we finish our duties as conscripts, except from those who want to follow a military career. Gays are not allowed to join the army in the first place, thus no, I was never a gay.

Shut the fuck up you old fat fag. You were the best whore of the military unit.

[Petros Houhoulis]

No Sacred Band of Thebes in Modern Greece in other words.

I don't think that the Sacred Band of Thebes has been replicated anywhere in the world, ever...