2017 Turkish referendum

[Böri]

I think that if I was a Turk I would be like DarkSecret.
Now, I don't really care (because for us Turkey can be potentially dangerous irrespective of the results) but I feel that I should be against western media.

Rum says Yes..

[Petros Houhoulis]

Erdogan's presidency was already voted in June '15 elections he made propaganda and he said: Give me 400 parliament members (%55 votes) and I bring president system by changing constitution. Akp didnt even have enough to be ruling party and get %40. So people already rejected Erdogan presidency system 1 time. This referandum is 2nd time Erdogan push to become president. In November '15 elections Erdogan didnt talk about presidency plus peace process with Pkk ended and war restart in July its why Akp became ruling party with %49,5. So logics he must lose again next month because if not Yugoslavia v.2 is what Turkey will become.

You still believe in free and fair elections in Turkey AFTER half the public sector employees were replaced within a few months, eh?

[Turul Karom]

Its propaganda Europe is against Erdogan in referandum. What's the proof they dont stage together with Erdogan? Europe isnt stupid they have enough Iq to know if they attack Erdogan publicly (like they do know) he will appear as victim and play victim and his vote will rise. Europe knows that.
If the yes pass Turkey will face new era trouble. Firstly it opens way for Federalism and its like all soldiers who die until now die for a lie, then more Western investment and capital will leave Turkey and replaced by Arabs who taking over Turkey (Saudi Qatar), Turkey will shift for more radical and less democratic as power gathered in single man. Then he will want to give 4 millions Syrian refugees the citizenship which will wipe out citizenship concept and make Turkey more Mena. I say NO.

A very insightful argument for the "no" vote. I'm glad to hear that there are always turks that are placing the people over the concepts of power for power's sake.

Once upon a time there was Yugoslavia. Remember Yugoslavia. They go same presidency, elections process and result.



Saffet Sancaklı explains the Yugoslav story which is similar to today Turkey

These are going to be the same issues with the west if they attempt to federalize and centralize powers in the EU. Then it'll be a crash course collision between east and west, with all of the people that the so-called "democratic leaders" of these new empires use as nothing more than pawns.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I wonder why Petros votes Yes though.. He is probably trying to deceive some patriots like me. But I won't buy that!

Should Sultan Mad Terrorist be allowed to fuck the brains out of the Turks forever and ever?

[Petros Houhoulis]

If you think after Yes possibly prevails and Federation is created you will join Georgia with your Hopa easily you are wrong. Turkey isnt Czechoslovakia for peaceful splits, it will be like Yugoslav or Syria. And next time you defend your yes without throw stones to me.

Split or no split, you shall keep massacring each other for no apparent reason. Otherwise you wouldn't be Turks...

[Petros Houhoulis]

All right thinking Turks should be Kemalists... If you don't agree, explain why not.

Because Kemalism has nothing to do with the actual policies of Kemal like no trips to foreign countries, one party rule and Sun language theory. Kemalism is a fantasy and corpses cannot help against living politicians...

[Petros Houhoulis]

As a CHP voter I won't vote the same vote as PKK. Just look at the no voters here. Armenians, the French, PKK supporters, Martians etc. all enemies of Turkey. You can see even on the apricity. Only Petros is suspicious.

FUCK TURKEY



EVET!

[Petros Houhoulis]

Şu an Erdoğan onlarla savaşıyor. Bu sistem gerekmese istemezdi bunu. Zaten kendi kazandığı sistemi niye değiştirmek istesin. Demek ki bişeyler ülkenin bekasına engel olacak. FETÖ kadar tehlikeli bir şey yok. Şu an onunla savaşan tek kişi de Erdoğan CHP de kol kola gezdi geziyor. FETÖ bu sistemde temizlenemiyor demek ki. Muhalefetin çoğu, AKP bile FETÖ ve türevi örgütlerin elinde.

FETÖ! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
You are fucking insane. Sultan Mad Terrorist IS FETÖ!!!

[DarkSecret]

FETÖ! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
You are fucking insane. Sultan Mad Terrorist IS FETÖ!!!

I don't know what to believe anymore...

[Petros Houhoulis]

Hiç olmazsa tarihten ders çıkarın... Saddam'ı destekleyen, güçlendiren, tek adam yapan kimdi? Saddam zamanında da Irak çok güçlüydü güya, şimdi ülke ne hale düşmüş, kendi toprağına girebilmek için yaptığı operasyon aylardır sürüyor. Bu durumlara düşsün ülke onu istiyorsunuz. 15 Temmuz'da en çok zararı kim gördü acaba, ordu görmedi mi? koskoca Türk Ordusu'na itibar kaybettirilmedi mi?

No no no! Sultan Mad Terrorist is no Saddam Hussein. He is far worse, he is next door Mugabe!

In November that same year, he announced of his intention to run for re-election as Zimbabwe's President in 2018, at the age of 94, and has been accepted as the ZANU-PF candidate.^[371] In February 2016, Mugabe said he had no plans for retirement and would remain in power "until God says 'come'".^[372] In February 2017, right after his 93rd birthday, Mugabe stated he would not retire nor pick a successor, even though he said he would let his party choose a successor if it saw fit.^[373][374]

BTW Mugabe destroyed Zimbabwe without any foreign intervention in Zimbabwe...

The economy of Zimbabwe shrank significantly after 2000, resulting in a desperate situation for the country – widespread poverty and a 95% unemployment rate.^[11] Zimbabwe's participation from 1998 to 2002 in the war in the Democratic Republic of the Congo set the stage for this deterioration by draining the country of hundreds of millions of dollars.^[12] Hyperinflation in Zimbabwe was a major problem from about 2003 to April 2009, when the country suspended its own currency. Zimbabwe faced 231 million percent peak hyperinflation in 2008.^[13] A combination of the abandonment of the Zimbabwe dollar and a government of national unity in 2009 resulted in a period of positive economic growth for the first time in a decade.