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    Default R1a1 M459 (with U4) and I2a2a M223 (with U5b2) in prehistoric Ukraine

    SNP calls:

    https://genetiker.wordpress.com/2017...a-and-ukraine/

    Ukraine_HG1 (Vasilyevka, age 11143-10591 ybp) = I2a2a-M223, mtDNA U5b2
    Ukraine_N1 (Vovnigi, age 6469-6293 years ago) = R1a1-M459*, mtDNA U4

    Ukraine_N1 with R1a1 was part of the Dnieper-Donets culture:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dniepe...Donets_culture

    Another I2a2a was also found much later in Catacomb culture.
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    R1 are the true Indo-Europeans, but we can now officially declare that I2a2a are "honorary Aryans".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    R1 are the true Indo-Europeans, but we can now officially declare that I2a2a are "honorary Aryans".
    No, they are not.
    If they are, then recent immigrants and Afro-Americans are too.

    The fact of early immigration doesn't change the provenance.
    Time is relative, rodowód always the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Ukraine_HG1 (Vasilyevka, age 11143-10591 ybp) = I2a2a-M223, mtDNA U5b2
    Btw, if this is so "old" how you know, that it has anything to do with these "4-5000 years" younger ones?

    Especially, that later was there tripolian culture, and until now, these lands are full of medditerrenians?
    They had to came with someone - probably they did with "I" people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    No, they are not.
    If they are, then recent immigrants and Afro-Americans are too.

    The fact of early immigration doesn't change the provenance.
    Time is relative, rodowód always the same.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Btw, if this is so "old" how you know, that it has anything to do with these "4-5000 years" younger ones?
    you see - R1 are immigrants to I2a land

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandaal View Post
    you see - R1 are immigrants to I2a land
    Yes, also to A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, S, T - and what?

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