Iran starts mass production of weapons.

[Smitty]

Yeah, basically. However, I don't think the US will invade Iran to be honest. These are just threats (to appease the American public who are born into thinking that Iran is some kind of crazy terroristic regime), just like how the US has threatened China on the disputed areas of the South China Sea.



Actually, besides the hostage crisis during the Iranian revolution, Iran hasn't been the aggressor against Americans. While on the contrary, the US has devastated the Iranian economy by putting unjust sanctions, and in 1988, even shot down a passenger plane that resulted in the death of 290 (all) of its passengers who were just civilians, and not all of them were even Iranian. To this day, the US has not yet apologized for that incident.

Yeah, I need to read more on the subject. We just hear over and over again that Iran considers us the Great Satan, hence the suspicion and fear. Maybe we started it. I don't know.

[N1019]

Yeah, basically. However, I don't think the US will invade Iran to be honest. These are just threats (to appease the American public who are born into thinking that Iran is some kind of crazy terroristic regime), just like how the US has threatened China on the disputed areas of the South China Sea.

I don't see any reason why Iran will be left alone when everything around it has been reduced to rubble, but I hope you're right.

Actually, besides the hostage crisis during the Iranian revolution, Iran hasn't been the aggressor against Americans. While on the contrary, the US has devastated the Iranian economy by putting unjust sanctions, and in 1988, even shot down a passenger plane that resulted in the death of 290 (all) of its passengers who were just civilians, and not all of them were even Iranian. To this day, the US has not yet apologized for that incident.

After the US-UK tried to replace the rogue Shah with the ayatollahs, they too went rogue, almost immediately. They played with fire and got burnt. Kissinger discussed the risks of getting rid of the Shah years earlier, stating "if we get rid of the Shah, we will have a radical regime on our hands". Well, they went ahead and did it, and got exactly that.

Any country that refuses to follow American orders will be made to suffer dearly and it could lead to destruction of their entire nation. The US has surely managed to put Iran through hell since 1979. They made sure the Iran-Iraq war happened, which killed at least 500,000 Iranians. That war would not have happened if the Shah's regime had been left in place, but the US made sure it fell, then pushed and supported the inherently weaker party Saddam to attack Iran during its time of weakness after the revolution, while also throwing a few bones at the new Islamic Republic to ensure the war dragged on for years to maximize damage.

The IR655 shoot-down incident may well have been deliberate, as a means of increasing pressure on Iran during the Iran-Iraq war at a time when Iran was pissing off America by laying mines in the Gulf etc.

[N1019]

Yeah, I need to read more on the subject. We just hear over and over again that Iran considers us the Great Satan, hence the suspicion and fear. Maybe we started it. I don't know.

Iran was probably behind the 1983 US Marine barracks bombing in Beirut and there has been speculation that they may also have been behind Lockerbie.

But no, the US didn't start the aggression. The US only had a serious presence in Iran after the 1953 Mossadegh incident. Before that it was dominated by the British, who found oil in Persia in 1901 and began meddling soon afterwards. They installed the last Shah in 1941 after exiling his father to Mauritius, whom they had also initially backed. The Russians also had a presence in the north, jointly invading with the British in 1941 when Reza Shah was removed, then refusing to leave for some time after WWII had ended.

What the Iranians just don't understand or accept is that they are not going to be left alone. They have too much oil and gas, and too much potential to cause trouble due to their inherent strength*. The more they refuse to submit, the more likely they are to be beaten into submission.

*compared to others in the region, not world powers

[Sarmatian]

Right. It's Iran's anti-America stance that makes it a threat - I think a real one.

That just doesn't make any sense. It's same as saying Democrats anti-Republican stance makes them a threat. Especially given the fact in over 100 years Iran haven't started a single war.

[Profileid]

Wish we wouldn't have elected a fkn zionist

[Smitty]

Iran was probably behind the 1983 US Marine barracks bombing in Beirut and there has been speculation that they may also have been behind Lockerbie.

But no, the US didn't start the aggression. The US only had a serious presence in Iran after the 1953 Mossadegh incident. Before that it was dominated by the British, who found oil in Persia in 1901 and began meddling soon afterwards. They installed the last Shah in 1941 after exiling his father to Mauritius, whom they had also initially backed. The Russians also had a presence in the north, jointly invading with the British in 1941 when Reza Shah was removed, then refusing to leave for some time after WWII had ended.

What the Iranians just don't understand or accept is that they are not going to be left alone. They have too much oil and gas, and too much potential to cause trouble due to their inherent strength*. The more they refuse to submit, the more likely they are to be beaten into submission.

*compared to others in the region, not world powers

Well, we've got a chance with Trump. He's more independent-minded than anyone else we might have got.

[Smitty]

That just doesn't make any sense. It's same as saying Democrats anti-Republican stance makes them a threat. Especially given the fact in over 100 years Iran haven't started a single war.

Well, if words mean anything, they want us gone. That's all I meant. That's a little stronger than party rivalry.

[Drawing-slim]

Putin will outplay US & Israel in the next 10 years. Netnhyahu is already emboldened and starting to beat the war drums on iran encouraging trump for an all out war.

[Sarmatian]

Well, if words mean anything, they want us gone. That's all I meant. That's a little stronger than party rivalry.

They want US to be gone from Mideast. There is no way Iran could be an existential threat to US mainland.

[War Chef]

eat. An attack on Iran however, would mean the blocking of the Hormuz strait, which will mean no oil supplies will leave the Persian Gulf (region containing 2/3 of all oil on earth), and basically devastate the economies of US gulf Arab allies, as well bring much of the world economy to a standstill,

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