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    Default Share your expirience. What usefullness you have from knowing your MT letter?

    Give me the best shout!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Give me the best shout!
    So far, knowing my mtDNA actually turned out to be at least as useful for me as knowing my Y-DNA, because my mtDNA showed up in ancient samples, while my exact subclade of Y-DNA - L617 - so far did not show up in ancient DNA. Only DF27 did, in Bell Beaker culture, but DF27 is for L617 what W is for W6/W6a.

    I have W6, it originated in Caucasus, entered the Steppe, and became part of the PIE community:

    W6c: Lopatino I, ~3090-2910 BC, Yamnaya culture Russia

    W6a: Lopatino II, ~3500-2700 BC, Yamnaya culture Russia

    W6a: Esperstedt, ~2566-2477 BC, Corded Ware culture Germany
    About W6 and W6a (my W6 is confirmed and all of my matches are W6a, so most likely I'm W6a):

    W6 appeared in the area between the Black and Caspian Seas, perhpas in what is now Georgia, 10,000 years ago.

    W6c probably originated in Georgia (W6 homeland). Ancestral W6c1 without the 16192 'flip' is found in Georgia.

    W6a, with the 8610 coding region mutation, most likely emerged in the Russian steppes.
    There are four known ancient samples of W6, including three from Indo-European cultures (listed above). There is also one W6 (but no specific info about its subclade) from a Non-Indo-European context:

    W6: Va7, ~5500-4500 BC, Vinča culture Romania

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    So far, knowing my mtDNA actually turned out to be at least as useful for me as knowing my Y-DNA,
    Can't be the same usefull, becauase has not the same meaning.
    You do not have any W6 based ethnicity, tribe or family.
    With Y you have.

    because my mtDNA showed up in ancient samples, while my exact subclade of Y-DNA - L617 - so far did not show up in ancient DNA. Only DF27 did, in Bell Beaker culture, but DF27 is for L617 what W is for W6/W6a.
    Ok, so this is historical ciekawostka, that some gen, which you have was discovered.
    But the same can be say about any other gen, like this for green eyes, or short nose.

    I have W6, it originated in Caucasus, entered the Steppe, and became part of the PIE community:
    As above. And this also can explain, why such or such aDNA component
    showed up among IEs, or what was "political" affilietions between tribes.
    But it has (very important of course) meaning, but only in the context of
    general population, not personal, individual one.

    About W6 and W6a (my W6 is confirmed and all of my matches are W6a, so most likely I'm W6a):
    And the same can be obviously said, about any other gen.

    There are four known ancient samples of W6, including three from Indo-European cultures (listed above). There is also one W6 (but no specific info about its subclade) from a Non-Indo-European context: W6: Va7, ~5500-4500 BC, Vinča culture Romania
    And this can be interesting from hobbistic reasons, but as above.
    Last edited by Rethel; 02-06-2017 at 06:37 PM.

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    I repeat my objections from Philip's thread:

    Maternal ascendency is not equaly interesting to Y, becasue:

    1. There was none and is no maternal lineages.
    2. At best, you will know only a letter, which have millions of people.
    3. Noone can be even really sure, if it was transmitted from woman to woman.
    4. Result has no real meaning, anybody can also compare himself with other people
    by the gen for hair colour or by gen for the big toe, and it will be exactly the same.
    5. If someone is really interested in the letter - can do it, but it is
    really nothing more, than a letter, which could be, and probably
    was at least once if not much more times, transmitted via males.


    And... no sane person want to be as his granny.
    Noone. If want to, he it is either a fag or trans.

    And women - do not want to have a lineage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    W6: Va7, ~5500-4500 BC, Vinča culture Romania
    Rumun!

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    MtDNA is always transmitted from mother to children. It can't be transmitted via males.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Rumun!
    Taki ze mnie Rumun, jak z Ciebie Niemiec.

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    When I read the book of Brian Sykes, I decided to know to which mtDNA haplogroup I belong.

    As a genealogist I can say that most people usually starts the researching in ancestral line of the father, but
    line of the mother is postponed for next time - and mostly is searched just line of her father.
    Nevertheless the mentioned mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA) is inherited in maternal line only, it means that
    in each generation of ancestors is changed its lastname. It is a challenge for each researcher

    - My mtDNA belongs to very rare group (haplogroup V).
    One is found in approximately 4% of native Europeans, only.


    My grandmother Marie nee Vaněrka (mother of my mother) was born in 1918 in the town of Olešnice, Moravia.
    At the picture are written data of her matrilineal ancestors, and at the map are spotted places,
    where they lived. I have found next 9 generations of them.
    Ones let me to the town of Bystré, Bohemia, located very close to the Moravian town of Olešnice.
    Now I know that my ancestors wre not only the Movians and Silesians but also Bohemians.
    And they came from both: Czech speaking and German speaking towns and villages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    MtDNA is always transmitted from mother to children. It can't be transmitted via males.
    Can be, it is rare, but exists.
    And in addition a one familiar
    genetist did assure me about
    it couple of years ago, so the
    more I refused to do this test.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patern...A_transmission

    If you belive in those hundrets of thousands
    of years, then it happened many times.

    Taki ze mnie Rumun, jak z Ciebie Niemiec.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Can be, it is rarely, be exists.
    And one of familiar genetics
    assured me in addition couple
    of years ago, so the more I
    did refuse to do this test.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patern...A_transmission

    If you belive in those hundrets of thousands
    of years, then it happened many times.
    Y-DNA can also be transmitted from someone else:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-paternity_event

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    Perhaps the question could be:
    Why the Sir Rethel who is so proude for his pateR1nal line, is afraid to know something more about the heritage what he received from his mother?

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