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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    Mater semper certa est (pater semper incertus est)
    Are you a slave, mamzer or bastard, which fathers are not known?

    No. So, why do you mention this?

    Free and legitimite people live quite differently.

    Genus matris non vocatur genus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    But you need to find where is your ancestor from year 1300 AD buried, and test his Y-DNA.

    What if it turns out that your genealogical ancestor from the 1300s was not R1a-M458*?
    Of course, it could be like that.

    What then? Then I will be not from "those", but from "ours" (as always btw )
    but becasue we have new beginning in Poland, and different orthography, so,
    it would be not so big problem. And if real ancestor would be known, then he
    would be added to the tree, not the false one. That's all.

    Complications usually are after origin or last suborigin, but it can be resolved also.
    Zoba se na Czartoryskich i ich rodowód w bazie ZSzP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvin View Post
    Because you wrote that you traced your paternal line back to around 1300:
    Słowo "powiedzmy" ominąłeś Bo jeśli teoria jest słuszna, to wspólny przodek
    wszystkich po obu stronach granicy powinien żyć co najmniej przed 1300. Ten
    do którego da się cofnąć w Polsce jest w wieku Zbyszka lub Maćka z Bogdańca,
    a więc urodził się w ostatniej ćwierci lub połowie XIV wieku.


    I know, but it is not wrong, it is statistically correct.
    The point is, that even if it would be 1000 or 10 lines
    of ascendants, they are not all equaly relevant.

    I used even to have some time ago in signature on
    one relevant forum: Egalitaryzmowi ascendentów
    (czy przodków/wstępnych) stanowcze NIE!
    Last edited by Rethel; 02-06-2017 at 08:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    Now I know that my ancestors wre not only the Movians and Silesians but also Bohemians.
    Delete this, as FAST as possible! Before Magnolia can read this...

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    From practical point of view also it must be taken unto account, that women can
    give birth to not their own eggish children, with different mt, men cannot do that.
    Woman play the role of incubator, and whatever she delivers, she will be a mother
    of. Russians have a very good name for children for one mother and one father.
    From one father brothers are one-blooded, but childnren from same mother are
    only one-wombed. Substance vs. place. Subctance is more important than place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Are you a slave, mamzer or bastard, which fathers are not known?

    No. So, why do you mention this?

    Free and legitimite people live quite differently.

    Genus matris non vocatur genus.
    Why you argue ad hominem?
    I am a son of my father, of course.
    I know names of my paternal ancestors back to early 1600s.
    But during the 4 centuries (or sooner) could happen that some child had another father than the one who married her mother,
    for various reasons, not only the infidelity but for example raping by enemy soldiers, etc.
    When you are checking data of your maternal ancestors, you has always 100% of certainty, that she was your real great...grandmother.
    The level of certainty in paternal line simply cannot compete with maternal line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    Why you argue ad hominem?
    What ad hominem? It is rethorical. Equivalent of: you
    are not a son of x, y, z so why you did mention this.


    But during the 4 centuries (or sooner) could happen that some child had another father than the one who married her mother,
    for various reasons, not only the infidelity but for example raping by enemy soldiers, etc.
    Yes, it could be, so test your relatives from
    common ancestor in XVII or XVIII century.

    When you are checking data of your maternal ancestors, you has always 100% of certainty, that she was your real great...grandmother.
    No, you do not have.
    Forgeries in documentation happend also,
    some adopted children could be written as
    her own, some were born for other person
    (becasue wife could not have children, so
    they payed a servant girl for birthing his
    child which was formaly of his wife), aso...

    The level of certainty in paternal line simply cannot compete with maternal line.
    Even if, then what? It is not about probability of certaintity.
    Last edited by Rethel; 02-07-2017 at 12:17 AM.

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    To be honest, I still cannot get what is so big diffrence between the desirre to know haplogroup of my Y-DNA and the desire to know haplogroup of my mtDNA.
    I like both of my parents, father and mother.
    Some people wish to know both lines, some just the paternal line, most of people dont care about any.
    I dont judge any of them - it is their choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    When you are checking data of your maternal ancestors, you has always 100% of certainty, that she was your real great...grandmother.
    The level of certainty in paternal line simply cannot compete with maternal line.
    And if the line is so certain, as you said - why to do the test?
    It is pointless, becasue the line is certain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikula View Post
    To be honest, I still cannot get what is so big diffrence between the desirre to know haplogroup of my Y-DNA and the desire to know haplogroup of my mtDNA.
    I did explain it at the begining.
    You can have desire, you can fullfill that disire, noone is saying, you can;t.
    But there are buts.

    I like both of my parents, father and mother.
    I am glad to hear it

    Some people wish to know both lines, some just the paternal line, most of people dont care about any.
    There is no "both lines", there is no matri line at all.

    I dont judge any of them - it is their choice.
    So you don't care. If you don't care, you do not understand.
    If you do not undertand importance, you shouldn;t do what
    you do, or at least not describing to people what is important
    and what is not. I now genealogists, who are making more
    harm, than good. Not becasue they falsify the genealogies,
    no. The biggest figure in genealogical world, the biggest harm
    is he doing. In genetics the same role play mt & automalists.

    Sorry, but it looks like that.
    Last edited by Rethel; 02-07-2017 at 12:19 AM.

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    Another reason, why mt is not important


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