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Of course, it could be like that.
What then? Then I will be not from "those", but from "ours" (as always btw )
but becasue we have new beginning in Poland, and different orthography, so,
it would be not so big problem. And if real ancestor would be known, then he
would be added to the tree, not the false one. That's all.
Complications usually are after origin or last suborigin, but it can be resolved also.
Zoba se na Czartoryskich i ich rodowód w bazie ZSzP.
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Słowo "powiedzmy" ominąłeś Bo jeśli teoria jest słuszna, to wspólny przodek
wszystkich po obu stronach granicy powinien żyć co najmniej przed 1300. Ten
do którego da się cofnąć w Polsce jest w wieku Zbyszka lub Maćka z Bogdańca,
a więc urodził się w ostatniej ćwierci lub połowie XIV wieku.
I know, but it is not wrong, it is statistically correct.
The point is, that even if it would be 1000 or 10 lines
of ascendants, they are not all equaly relevant.
I used even to have some time ago in signature on
one relevant forum: Egalitaryzmowi ascendentów
(czy przodków/wstępnych) stanowcze NIE!
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From practical point of view also it must be taken unto account, that women can
give birth to not their own eggish children, with different mt, men cannot do that.
Woman play the role of incubator, and whatever she delivers, she will be a mother
of. Russians have a very good name for children for one mother and one father.
From one father brothers are one-blooded, but childnren from same mother are
only one-wombed. Substance vs. place. Subctance is more important than place.
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Why you argue ad hominem?
I am a son of my father, of course.
I know names of my paternal ancestors back to early 1600s.
But during the 4 centuries (or sooner) could happen that some child had another father than the one who married her mother,
for various reasons, not only the infidelity but for example raping by enemy soldiers, etc.
When you are checking data of your maternal ancestors, you has always 100% of certainty, that she was your real great...grandmother.
The level of certainty in paternal line simply cannot compete with maternal line.
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What ad hominem? It is rethorical. Equivalent of: you
are not a son of x, y, z so why you did mention this.
Yes, it could be, so test your relatives fromBut during the 4 centuries (or sooner) could happen that some child had another father than the one who married her mother,
for various reasons, not only the infidelity but for example raping by enemy soldiers, etc.
common ancestor in XVII or XVIII century.
No, you do not have.When you are checking data of your maternal ancestors, you has always 100% of certainty, that she was your real great...grandmother.
Forgeries in documentation happend also,
some adopted children could be written as
her own, some were born for other person
(becasue wife could not have children, so
they payed a servant girl for birthing his
child which was formaly of his wife), aso...
Even if, then what? It is not about probability of certaintity.The level of certainty in paternal line simply cannot compete with maternal line.
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To be honest, I still cannot get what is so big diffrence between the desirre to know haplogroup of my Y-DNA and the desire to know haplogroup of my mtDNA.
I like both of my parents, father and mother.
Some people wish to know both lines, some just the paternal line, most of people dont care about any.
I dont judge any of them - it is their choice.
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And if the line is so certain, as you said - why to do the test?
It is pointless, becasue the line is certain.
I did explain it at the begining.
You can have desire, you can fullfill that disire, noone is saying, you can;t.
But there are buts.
I am glad to hear itI like both of my parents, father and mother.
There is no "both lines", there is no matri line at all.Some people wish to know both lines, some just the paternal line, most of people dont care about any.
So you don't care. If you don't care, you do not understand.I dont judge any of them - it is their choice.
If you do not undertand importance, you shouldn;t do what
you do, or at least not describing to people what is important
and what is not. I now genealogists, who are making more
harm, than good. Not becasue they falsify the genealogies,
no. The biggest figure in genealogical world, the biggest harm
is he doing. In genetics the same role play mt & automalists.
Sorry, but it looks like that.
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Another reason, why mt is not important
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