Global Warming is the greatest scam in history

[Mrs. Psychonaut]

It's funny that it snowed in New Orleans this winter! All we've heard about this past season is how bad the ice storms were all across the U.S.. Evidence of Global Warming for sure. The earth has always gone through cycles of extreme heat and extreme cold. It doesn't even take much research about it to realize how normal it is. Even if it is happening, I don't believe that we have had that much of an impact on global warming as some say we do. People always want to believe the end is near.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Anthropogenic global warming denial is primarily an American neo-con thing.

More like the 'global warming' religion is primarily restricted to northwestern Europe and certain subcultures of upper/middle class Americans. The rest of the world, China, Russia, India, etc isn't pulling their hair out over this nonsense.

Because neo-cons are capitalists

The neo-cons are actually socialists who left the Democrat party because they favor a strong military, aggressive foreign policy, and strong police powers. The founders of the movement were followers of Trotsky who opposed Stalinism but were still socialists. Most neo-conservatives, such as John McCain, believe in 'global warming' and support legislation designed to combat this supposed problem. The main opposition to the 'global warming' myth actually comes from traditional conservatives and what is defined in your country as 'the working class'.

and equate "freedom" to financial freedom, they're incapable of understanding how capitalism constrains non-economic liberty (of which they have no understanding), and therefore ironically judge threats to the economic system as attacks on 'freedom'. Personally, I don't see it. If every measure proposed by 'greens' were implemented tomorrow, the average citizen would have as much liberty as he has today. If his employer goes bankrupt, then perhaps more. The profit of businesses isn't my interest. The coffers of governments are not my interest. The 'freedoms' of industry don't bother me at all. I only care about individual liberty. I welcome damage to capitalism because it is a threat to personal liberty.

Sure, for people like you which the only freedoms worth concern are 'reproductive rights' (abortion) and homosexual rights such as 'gay marriage'.

Just about every other personal lifestyle restriction arises from socialism and government economic control.

For example, the main argument in favor of bans on certain substances such as marijuana, methamphetamines, cocaine, and heroin is the claim that the users of such substances tend to not work, and therefore don't pay taxes, and instead collect from welfare programs. If you don't have welfare programs and the taxes to pay for them, then the argument in favor of a bans on the use of certain substances is removed.

Also, ever since the government started paying for some health care costs, the number of lifestyle restrictions has multiplied. The law now requires people to wear seatbelts, carry automobile insurance, wear helmets if riding a motorcycle, as well as a number of other restrictions which drive up the cost of automobiles. Smoking is heavily taxed restricted, and certain food types such as 'transfats' are either banned or heavily restricted. Even lawn darts are now banned! Many states ban fireworks for personal use.

Likewise, the 'global warming' nonsense has been used in a push for stricter 'fuel efficiency' standards, which has as its endgame basically banning every vehicle that is fun to drive and forcing everyone to drive rice rockets.

This is in addition to adding to the cost of everything produced, with the result that one must either spend more hours at work in order to have the same lifestyle, or give up spending on things which bring enjoyment to life.

Really, it doesn't matter if the government bans things outright or just makes them unaffordable, it has the same effect.

[SwordoftheVistula]

Currently, 90% of the US has below freezing temperatures:

[Allenson]

Currently, 90% of the US has below freezing temperatures:

-9F (-23C) this morning at the house.

[Mrs. Psychonaut]

What we need is a massive volcano erruption & subsequent ash plume to reduce the solar energy reaching the earth for a spell--that'll cool things down a bit.

No volcano eruptions!

[HawkR]

I find the question to be; Is there a global warming, or a change in weather, which has allready been mentioned. Humans, and other animals alike, are just a part of earth system, what we do, won't have any effect(except nuclear war), we can drive our cars, smoke our sigaretts, and do whatever the fuck we want. It won't effect the earth, our little lifetime of socalled polution is just a fart considered to earths insane lifetime.

[Spillip]

The neo-cons are actually socialists who left the Democrat party because they favor a strong military, aggressive foreign policy, and strong police powers. The founders of the movement were followers of Trotsky who opposed Stalinism but were still socialists. Most neo-conservatives, such as John McCain, believe in 'global warming' and support legislation designed to combat this supposed problem. The main opposition to the 'global warming' myth actually comes from traditional conservatives and what is defined in your country as 'the working class'.

Intense, dude, but do you have a more substantive reason for outright rejecting global warming/climate change as a scientific hypothesis than that you dislike the type of person who typically advances it?

Sure, for people like you which the only freedoms worth concern are 'reproductive rights' (abortion) and homosexual rights such as 'gay marriage'.

Just about every other personal lifestyle restriction arises from socialism and government economic control.

I agree. That's probably why I'm not a socialist

[Skandi]

This set shows that the climate is very variable over the last 2000 years or so



And this one shows the Paleo temperatures, considering that the mean global temperature is about 14C at the moment, we have a huge way to go before we hit the temperatures in the past, where the average temperature was often over 20C also from the lower image you can see that it is abnormal for it to be as cold as it is in the moment. In fact it's not been this cold in the last 250,000,000 years.

[Spillip]

This set shows that the climate is very variable over the last 2000 years or so



And this one shows the Paleo temperatures, considering that the mean global temperature is about 14C at the moment, we have a huge way to go before we hit the temperatures in the past, where the average temperature was often over 20C also from the lower image you can see that it is abnormal for it to be as cold as it is in the moment. In fact it's not been this cold in the last 250,000,000 years.

Who knew? Earth's climate is cyclical. That doesn't mean that the observed recent rise in temperature isn't in some way influenced by humanity's contributions to the atmosphere.

It's like saying that because glaciers and canyons exist, a quarry couldn't possibly be man-made. I suppose you'd also argue after a nuclear holocaust that because there's still more life than 3 billion years ago, the nuclear holocaust had no impact on the environment, and so on.

[Skandi]

. I suppose you'd also argue after a nuclear holocaust that because there's still more life than 3 billion years ago, the nuclear holocaust had no impact on the environment, and so on.

No what I'm showing is that we are due this warm up anyway, and due to uncertainties in measuring paleo temperature we can not be sure how fast this process is normally. My main point in the previous post was however, that it does not matter if it warms up or not, everything has already happened and will again.

I hate to inform you that a nuclear war would have no impact on the Earth, yes we may be gone and to paraphrase startrek if I may "It's life Spillip but not as WE know it' over 95% of life has been wiped out in one go before at the Permian-Triassic boundary, and that was due to a global cooling so I'm sure the earth will survive a few degrees in the other direction.