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    How much does pop genetics affirm or deny the biblical nations found in Genesis?Dos any part of pop genetics affirm the ham,shem,japeth descendancy or refute it in any way or number of ways?I will admit I'm a biblical believer,but certain things make me doubt it like differing rates of neanderthal dna in different populations,albeit that could be due to mixture with them during tower of babel.in any case I'm here to learn from more knowledgeable people .I think the fact europeans have neolithic farmr dna and ane dna refute the japethic linage possibly.I don't know.

    is pop genetics and the genome of modern man affirming the table of nations or debunking it?

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    Romans are children of Japeth
    Arabs and Jews = Shem
    Africans = Ham

    Chinese/Mongols = Magog

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    Pretty useless unless you can also correlate what the Torah says about their ethnonyms and their movement/migration with what modern historians and genetics tell us

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan Zirić View Post
    Romans are children of Japeth
    Arabs and Jews = Shem
    Africans = Ham

    Chinese/Mongols = Magog
    what about native americans?Australoids?Southeastasians?neolithic europeans and natufians?Ancient north eurasian?La Brana people?is thre genetic evidence humans or populations formed or mutated haplogroups before the time of noah?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    Pretty useless unless you can also correlate what the Torah says about their ethnonyms and their movement/migration with what modern historians and genetics tell us
    Aren't you muslim?you believe in Nuh right?or was nuh a local flood in islamic books?

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    Most chromossomes Y have a mutation called M91. This mutation occured in Africa. Believe in it or cut your dick, if you don't want become a spreader of african genes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    Aren't you muslim?you believe in Nuh right?or was nuh a local flood in islamic books?
    The Quran speaks of "Qawm Nuh" which indirectly hints at a specific nation that required a specific message and prophethood...the Deluge is never mentioned to be universal in the Quran, but I do acknowledge the existence of an almost universal 'global flood' narrative in many disparate, primitive (and extinct) mythologies the world over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    The Quran speaks of "Qawm Nuh" which indirectly hints at a specific nation that required a specific message and prophethood...the Deluge is never mentioned to be universal in the Quran, but I do acknowledge the existence of an almost universal 'global flood' narrative in many disparate, primitive (and extinct) mythologies the world over.
    Would you say based on pop genetics that the universal flood model is false?it seems the hbrews only were familiar with 70 nations in their religious literature.I personally doubt but dont reject the account based on varying levels of archaic hominin dna in different human populations.for example if all creatures were killed in the flood and we all descend equally from noah shouldnt we have equal amouns of hominin infusion,since neanderthals are said by creationists,to be pre-flood men?I could be wrong here,maybe neanderthals were the post flood tribe living in babel.I don't know what to truly believe on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    Most chromossomes Y have a mutation called M91. This mutation occured in Africa. Believe in it or cut your dick, if you don't want become a spreader of african genes.
    no need to be hostile.I'm sincerely looking for answers not trying to prove a point.how do we know it occurred in africa?bfore you sting at me,I know its a stupid sounding question but Im trying to be sure here as I dont know who to believe and looking for answers and certainty.would you say neanderthal dna refutes the biblical account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    no need to be hostile.I'm sincerely looking for answers not trying to prove a point.how do we know it occurred in africa?bfore you sting at me,I know its a stupid sounding question but Im trying to be sure here as I dont know who to believe and looking for answers and certainty.would you say neanderthal dna refutes the biblical account?
    Because is present in haplogroups that never exited Africa, like B and E1b1a (they exited recently with slave trade), or someone will try to say for you white preople give origin for black people.

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