Pop genetics and the Torah

[monfret]

Because is present in haplogroups that never exited Africa, like B and E1b1a (they exited recently with slave trade), or someone will try to say for you white preople give origin for black people.

Oke,Gottcha.Does E1b1b1 and J originally come from a westafrican haplogroup?where do afroasiatic genetics originate?did J really originate in somalia?Do pop genetics prove a african origin for near easterners?some guy once said neolithic farmers were the result of a rape spectacle including cushite males with cromagnon females?is that bullshit?

[Rethel]

How much does pop genetics affirm or deny the biblical nations found in Genesis?Dos any part of pop genetics affirm the ham,shem,japeth descendancy or refute it in any way or number of ways?

Yes.

1. Bible identify Indoeuropeans, and says, they have one ancestor who will
take the world and belive in jewish God - genetically and historically prooved.
2. Bible indetify Semites and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
3. Bible indetify Hamites and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
4. Bible indetify pre-IE inhabitans of Greece, and says, they have one ancestor
and that they are paternaly related to the Egyptians - genetically prooved.
5. Bible indetify all Africans as being related closer and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
6. Bible says, that on semitic ME were some Hamites - genetically prooved.

If something doesn;t fit, it doesn;t mean that Bible is wrong. Scientists are
interpreting wrongly a lot of stuff, especially, that they based on wrong ideas.

[Rethel]

Chinese/Mongols

It is not known.
There are three different conceptions, so...

Magog

Magog was an ancestor of IE people also,
and his descendants lived on the Steppe
and in Anatolia. Maybe also somewhere
else, but these are guessings.

[Rethel]

what about native americans?Australoids?Southeastasians?neolithic europeans and natufians?Ancient north eurasian?La Brana people?is thre genetic evidence humans or populations formed or mutated haplogroups before the time of noah?

Bible doesn;t say anything about them, except, that all of them
came from Babel, when they where separeted into smal paternal
tribes and scattered across the world. So, obviously, all of them
are descendants of the grandsons and greatgrandsosns of the
three Noah's sons, but we do not know from whom.

We only know about Hamites, Semites, Indoeuropeans,
Negros, small tribes of Middle East and Pelasgo-Philistines.

[monfret]

Yes.

1. Bible identify Indoeuropeans, and says, they have one ancestor who will
take the world and belive in jewish God - genetically and historically prooved.
2. Bible indetify Semites and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
3. Bible indetify Hamites and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
4. Bible indetify pre-IE inhabitans of Greece, and says, they have one ancestor
and that they are paternaly related to the Egyptians - genetically prooved.
5. Bible indetify all Africans as being related closer and says, they have one ancestor - genetically prooved.
6. Bible says, that on semitic ME were some Hamites - genetically prooved.

If something doesn;t fit, it doesn;t mean that Bible is wrong. Scientists are
interpreting wrongly a lot of stuff, especially, that they based on wrong ideas.

wouldnt pre grecian neolithics be more closer to modern day anatolians,allegedly japethites than egyptians?how do you account for different rates of hominin dna in different populations?I mean neanderthals and denisovan !?

[Sacrificed Ram]

Oke,Gottcha.Does E1b1b1 and J originally come from a westafrican haplogroup?where do afroasiatic genetics originate?did J really originate in somalia?Do pop genetics prove a african origin for near easterners?some guy once said neolithic farmers were the result of a rape spectacle including cushite males with cromagnon females?is that bullshit?

Guy resume for you:

Imagine Noah had the M91 mutation, we would conclude all human males have M91 mutation, but it isn't true, we have M91 throgout whole world, EXCEPT some guys in Africa don't have M91 mutation (Haplogroup A).

With it we can have two conclusions:

1 - Someone survived deluge, but not from Noah's family.

2 - Noah lived before M91 mutation occurred.

[Rethel]

The Quran speaks of "Qawm Nuh" which indirectly hints at a specific nation that required a specific message and prophethood...the Deluge is never mentioned to be universal in the Quran, but I do acknowledge the existence of an almost universal 'global flood' narrative in many disparate, primitive (and extinct) mythologies the world over.

So:

1. How old is world and humankind?
2. Do all people comes from Noah or Adam?
3. Do you belive or only acknowledge stories about it?
4. Tower of Babel?
5. When "Nuh" lived and where?

And what is the general muslim view on these things?

[monfret]

Bible doesn;t say anything about them, except, that all of them
came from Babel, when they where separeted into smal paternal
tribes and scattered across the world. So, obviously, all of them
are descendants of the grandsons and greatgrandsosns of the
three Noah's sons, but we do not know from whom.

We only know about Hamites, Semites, Indoeuropeans,
Negros, small tribes of Middle East and Pelasgo-Philistines.

I dont know if you can simplify it like that.

[Wadaad]

So:

1. How old is world and humankind?
2. Do all people comes from Noah or Adam?
3. Do you belive or only acknowledge stories about it?
4. Tower of Babel?
5. When "Nuh" lived and where?

And what is the general muslim view on these things?

1) Allah knows
2) From Adam
3) I only acknowledge what is in the Quran...I refute what it refutes and I dont argue what it leaves out
4) Quran does not mention the tower of Babel, but mentions two specific angels "Haroot and Maroot" descending on Babylon to teach the science of magic, along with a precautionary warning.
5) The specifics are left out of the Quran except that the ark descended on a certain "Mt Judi"... but tafseer by scholars claim this to be somewhere Mesopotamia

[monfret]

So:

1. How old is world and humankind?
2. Do all people comes from Noah or Adam?
3. Do you belive or only acknowledge stories about it?
4. Tower of Babel?
5. When "Nuh" lived and where?

And what is the general muslim view on these things?

the general muslim view is one of neither for or against as the quranic context doesn't indicate a global or local flood but it can be interpreted both ways.the bible leaves only a global interpretation(because God promised a worldwide flood would never happen,but local floods happen all the time)