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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    it seems the hbrews only were familiar with 70 nations in their religious literature.

    It is talmudic overinterpretation.

    The table of Nations simply contains 70 guys,
    fathers, sons and grandsons together. In the
    Table of Nations, are countries, small tribes
    (like Jebusites) who were even a subdivision
    of a subNation, cities, and also this what we
    called today "language families" like Hamites,
    Semites or the Indoeuropeans.

    Basing on racial, linguistic and Y-genetic
    evidences there probably was something
    about 30 original nations (20-40). But it
    is probable, that many original Tribes did
    simply die out, so the final amount which
    we can know today is only around 30.

    So, it could be 70, but it is not from the Table
    of Nations, neither from modern evidences, but
    if it would be some ancient tradition, then it has
    some probability, but we simply can't know it.
    Last edited by Rethel; 02-10-2017 at 04:11 PM.

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    More resume:

    Noah cursed Cannaan, not Ham. Africans descend from Ham, but not from Cannaan, thus Africans ARE NOT cursed in this case.

    I'm from those that take the CROSS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    wouldnt pre grecian neolithics be more closer to modern day anatolians,
    I don;t care, what they would or not.

    Bible says, that ancestor of people called Kasluchim (from whom where Philistines)
    are paternaly related to Egyptians. They are localized by the Bible in Greece, partialy
    from the Kaftor which inhabitants were also related to Egyptians btw) and both of
    that groups (Egyptians and Pre-Greeks) are E1, i.e. are closer related, than with other people.

    allegedly japethites than egyptians?
    Anatolians are not Japhetites, they are probably Hamitoids or Shemitoids.

    Japheth is prooved ancestor of Indoeuropeans, and Indoeuropeans are R1.

    how do you account for different rates of hominin dna in different populations?I mean neanderthals and denisovan !?
    Firstly it is not known, who they where.
    Secondly, there were people who could died out as I previously said.
    Thirdly, before the Flood existed probably races, which no longer exosts today.

    Noah did not give birth himself to all people, but he needed
    for that a wife and four daughters in law. So obviously they
    could have some different component in themselves. If we
    have now blacks, so obviously someone on the Ark had to
    be black, and probably it was a Hams wife, maybe even
    she was a some multiracial combo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    I dont know if you can simplify it like that.
    Yes I can, becasue it is exactly written

    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    1) Allah knows
    2) From Adam
    3) I only acknowledge what is in the Quran...I refute what it refutes and I dont argue what it leaves out
    4) Quran does not mention the tower of Babel, but mentions two specific angels "Haroot and Maroot" descending on Babylon to teach the science of magic, along with a precautionary warning.
    5) The specifics are left out of the Quran except that the ark descended on a certain "Mt Judi"... but tafseer by scholars claim this to be somewhere Mesopotamia
    Ok, thanks.

    Is it more or less what all muslims can agree about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    If we
    have now blacks, so obviously someone on the Ark had to
    be black, and probably it was a Hams wife, maybe even
    she was a some multiracial combo.
    His wife? The translation of word "HAM" shall be "The Swarthy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Yes I can, becasue it is exactly written



    Ok, thanks.

    Is it more or less what all muslims can agree about?
    yes, i gave you the muslim (sunni, shia, ibadi) consensus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    I don;t care, what they would or not.

    Bible says, that ancestor of people called Kasluchim (from whom where Philistines)
    are paternaly related to Egyptians. They are localized by the Bible in Greece, partialy
    from the Kaftor which inhabitants were also related to Egyptians btw) and both of
    that groups (Egyptians and Pre-Greeks) are E1, i.e. are closer related, than with other people.



    Anatolians are not Japhetites, they are probably Hamitoids or Shemitoids.

    Japheth is prooved ancestor of Indoeuropeans, and Indoeuropeans are R1.



    Firstly it is not known, who they where.
    Secondly, there were people who could died out as I previously said.
    Thirdly, before the Flood existed probably races, which no longer exosts today.

    Noah did not give birth himself to all people, but he needed
    for that a wife and four daughters in law. So obviously they
    could have some different component in themselves. If we
    have now blacks, so obviously someone on the Ark had to
    be black, and probably it was a Hams wife, maybe even
    she was a some multiracial combo.
    so neolithic europeans are tubal?or are they hamites from mizrayim?I'm talking e1b1b1 and j europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrificed Ram View Post
    His wife? The translation of word "HAM" shall be "The Swarthy".
    Or rather hot.
    Maybe he was.
    Maybe Ham was from different wife.

    We do not know.
    From the six important in that matter people
    someone had to be white and someone black.
    Japhet and his wife rather for sure were not black.
    Japheth even can be translated as fair.

    So, we have wifes of Ham and Shem
    and them themselves on the plate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wadaad View Post
    yes, i gave you the muslim (sunni, shia, ibadi) consensus
    Ok, thanks once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley View Post
    Or rather hot.
    Maybe he was.
    Maybe Ham was from different wife.

    We do not know.
    From the six important in that matter people
    someone had to be white and someone black.
    Japhet and his wife rather for sure were not black.
    Japheth even can be translated as fair.

    So, we have wifes of Ham and Shem
    and them themselves on the plate.
    Japeth skeptics say,is from iapetos a greek titan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monfret View Post
    so neolithic europeans are tubal?or are they hamites from mizrayim?I'm talking e1b1b1 and j europeans.
    It depends which one.

    C6 people and E1 from Ham, EV13 from Mizrayim.
    I1, I2, J2, J1 people from Sem.

    Rest is the matter of disscuss.

    There was no one people before Indoeuropeans in Europe.

    Tubal is Indoeuropean too, btw...

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