What makes religion more legitimate than atheism or nationalism?

[Lek]

Discuss.

[Lek]

The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim.

[Unome]

Because dominate religions are based on traditional morals that work, and have worked for thousands of years. Atheism offers no moral structure or guidance. Nationalism can, but is attacked as a "racist" ideology (to prefer your own kin before foreigners).

[Lek]

Because dominate religions are based on traditional morals that work, and have worked for thousands of years. Atheism offers no moral structure or guidance. Nationalism can, but is attacked as a "racist" ideology (to prefer your own kin before foreigners).

That doesn't make it more legitimate imo.

Would you say that atheists and nationalists are less moral than theists?

[Unome]

That doesn't make it more legitimate imo.

Would you say that atheists and nationalists are less moral than theists?

I'd say that their morals systems are each different. Religion has stricter morals and more of them to follow, with fundamentalism being the highest form of morality (most spiritually challenging). Atheists have the least amount of morals, rules, and traditions to follow.

[Lek]

I'd say that their morals systems are each different. Religion has stricter morals and more of them to follow, with fundamentalism being the highest form of morality (most spiritually challenging). Atheists have the least amount of morals, rules, and traditions to follow.

which one is more true?

Is it more legitimate to identify as a Christian/Muslim/religion and put it infront of nationalism/patriotism/ethnicity?

Religion and God is based on faith and not evidence. How could it be any more legitimate than any other belief out there?

[Unome]

which one is more true?

All of them are different (per)versions of the truth. To the theist, god is true. To the atheist, god is false.

Is it more legitimate to identify as a Christian/Muslim/religion and put it infront of nationalism/patriotism/ethnicity?

Usually it's appropriate to separate religion and state ideology.

Religion and God is based on faith and not evidence. How could it be any more legitimate than any other belief out there?

Because science cannot guide moral actions.

Any ideal of a 'better' person and righteous action requires a spiritual belief system.

[Albobalboa]

It's because religion is based on the very existence of a person rather than just the life itself. So the argument is that why care about nations when after I die the country doesn't matter, but god is eternal.

In my opinion, since I don't believe in god, all I have in this world is my besa and goodwill towards fellow humans before I return to inexistence. That makes me proud to be who I am and proud to be Albanian for the people share my values.

[Robocop]

Because dominate religions are based on traditional morals that work, and have worked for thousands of years. Atheism offers no moral structure or guidance. Nationalism can, but is attacked as a "racist" ideology (to prefer your own kin before foreigners).

One must first define what is moral, then one will know that moral as such has nothing to do with religions or atheism.

[Unome]

One must first define what is moral, then one will know that moral as such has nothing to do with religions or atheism.

Should a murderer live or die after they are caught and convicted? To make a judgment, or even have an opinion, constitutes a moral position. Thus everybody has morals whether they want to admit them or not. The more morals a person have, the more invested and committed to a system they become. Morals are about what people value, what ought or should be, how people judge each-other, and how people act and reciprocate actions (karma). Amoral people (atheists) try to deny the existence of morality and superior judgments; but this is false. Some moral decisions (judgments) are better than others.

A spiritually strong person is said to be a shaman, a guru, a druid, a priest, a rabbi, an imam, whatever the culture names or titles the position. The stronger the spirituality, the stronger the morals and moral system (religion). In order to deny morality, atheism is required to deny common sense. People have relationships, societies, even civilization is predicated and built upon a mountain of morality, of history, of tradition, of values that differ between individuals and groups.

For example, when is a woman a slut? After 1 sexual experience and partner, after 2, after 10, after 100, after she accepts money for trade? Anybody's opinion on this question, represents a moral position. Some people have stricter morals (Conservatism). Other people have looser morals (Liberalism).