Correct Way to Identify Ancestry

[Smitty]

That would make me Luxembourgian (probably). I can't say that makes sense, given I'm only 3%. At some point, that identity has to be replaced by the dominating one, right? What about a man who takes on a new "tribe" (nationality)? That's really what we're talking about here, I think.

[Not a Cop]

That would make me Luxembourgian (probably). I can't say that makes sense, given I'm only 3%. At some point, that identity has to be replaced by the dominating one, right? What about a man who takes on a new "tribe" (nationality)? That's really what we're talking about here, I think.

That's because "British and American way" is simply based on American way which is so because of the fact that White Americans are a bunch of people with similar culture, but mixed ethnic orgin, while in old wolrd, especially in more traditional cultures male takes a wife out of her family and implies his culte on wife and offsprings.

[Smitty]

That's because "British and American way" is simply based on American way which is so because of the fact that White Americans are a bunch of people with similar culture, but mixed ethnic orgin, while in old wolrd, especially in more traditional cultures male takes a wife out of her family and implies his culte on wife and offsprings.

So it's more about culture? Should a Dutchman who moved to Finland and marries a Finn consider himself and his children Dutch or Finnish?

[Not a Cop]

So it's more about culture? Should a Dutchman who moved to Finland and marries a Finn consider himself and his children Dutch or Finnish?

Obviously ethnicity is very much a culture.

About Dutchman in Finland, i don't know, Mannerheim always reffered as a German or a Swede.

[Learning_Genetics]

And does the old world way of identifying ancestry give any recognition to the mother's ancestry and ethnicity, or do children only inherit their legacy from their father?

[Heather Duval]

so now i am for sure german

[Peterski]

Mannerheim always reffered as a German or a Swede.

Mannerheim's family was descended from German immigrants who had settled in Sweden.

Later that family from Sweden (descended from German immigrants) moved to Finland.

[Oneeye]

What people aren't getting here.. is that this mentality is that of a woman leaving her people to live with a man and his people, in a much smaller world.

In the USA, we have it completely different, as both a man and woman "leave" and become their own.

[Wanderer]

I disagree with this viewpoint. It's not always true. My direct paternal line is Italian*. But in terms of ancestry I am more Ukrainian than anything else. Ultimately, I find that I side with Ukraine above all.

*Italian-American, really. There's nothing left in terms of Italian culture from my paternal side. I would just default to an American (albeit Italian-American) identity if it were true that the paternal line always comes first. In reality, while I do identify with this heritage, it just doesn't mean what Ukraine does to me.

[Wanderer]

I disagree with this viewpoint. It's not always true. My direct paternal line is Italian*. But in terms of ancestry I am more Ukrainian than anything else. Ultimately, I find that I side with Ukraine above all.

*Italian-American, really. There's nothing left in terms of Italian culture from my paternal side. I would just default to an American (albeit Italian-American) identity if it were true that the paternal line always comes first. In reality, while I do identify with this heritage, it just doesn't mean what Ukraine does to me.

While I still don't really agree with this viewpoint, it works for me. So I'm Italian. That's great. There's nothing better I could ask for.

In response to my quoted post, I'll never be anti-Ukrainian. But I think I wanted Ukraine to mean more to me than it naturally would. I can't solve Ukraine's problems. And to really be a Ukrainian nationalist, it would have to be the essence of my being, which it really isn't.

For someone like me... I'm an American. Plain and simple. Nothing wrong with that. This is the greatest country in the world. I love this country most of all. As I indicated earlier, my ancestry connects me to America. I'm proud, for example, that Italian-Americans were disproportionately represented in the armed forces in WWI & WWII. I'm proud that in the case of the latter, Italian-Americans jettisoned any affection whatsoever for Mussolini upon the American entry into the war, and sided as unanimously as a single ethnic group conceivably could with the United States of America. When you account for that, plus the Italian-American (immigrant and immigrant-descended) cultural influences, plus the Italian influence on the foundations of America (e.g., Columbus, the Roman inspirations of the Founding Fathers, etc.), there is--ultimately--no ethnic reason we cannot call this country our own.

Yeah, I am kind of prone to experiencing paradigm shifts. So be it. Generally, it's an evolution of sentiments I've already had.