Should Catholic nuns be forced to remove their headdress?

[Gold-Shekel]

[QUOTE=Seya;4256457]Egypt is a touristic country. they live from tourism..can't afford to impose rules..the situation is very different in other islamic countries.../QUOTE]

The only countries where women have to cover are Saudi Arabia and Iran and even there the rules are loose.

[wvwvw]

How does being part of a religious Catholic order give them more right to cover up then Muslim women who are part of the Islamic religion, Our order and way of life?

If you visit the website of Catholic Nuns Today you will see nuns who have opted not to wear the traditional habits we are all used to seeing.

There are many nuns who choose not to wear the veil. So how many do you think are flogged or killed for this outrageous behavior? Let me save you the time to guess: the answer is zero.

And how many nuns who wear the veil do so out of fear of being arrested, harassed, whipped or killed if they do not? Again let me save you the time to guess: the answer is zero.

The difference between Nuns and muslim women who wear the hijab is that every single nun in the world who wears a habit does so voluntarily, she chose to be a nun. So if there is no oppression or force involved with nuns, why would I object to seeing them wearing habits?

As for Muslim women: they must wear the hijab in public in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia by law.

In most of Afghanistan and Pakistan, Muslim women even if they do not want to wear a burqa or chadri, must do so as a matter of personal safety. Hundreds of women are killed, have acid thrown in their faces, or are otherwise maimed by male fanatics. Tell those women that the veil is choice.

In many public high schools (mostly in Muslim areas) in Indonesia the jilbab is a compulsory school uniform, even for infidels. See the word 'compulsory'? That means "no choice." Of course, students at private Islamic schools in Indonesia have always required girls to wear the jilbab. Although Indonesia started life in 1945 with most women not wearing a veil, as is the habit with Islamic countries, we now see many more Indonesian women wearing the jilbab after the fall in 1998 of President Suharto, who kept Islamic groups in check. Without his strong restraint, many municipalities in the Indonesian archipelago have been encouraged to pass ordinances requiring women to wear the jilbab as an act of submission. 'Submission' does not mean choice.

And forget about just covering up the face, women in Somalia, Muslim or not, get whipped if they do not cover their ankles.

Sudan's criminal code allows the flogging or fining of anyone found wearing western, indecent clothing.

Even in non-Muslim countries those who wear the hijab do so by compulsion. According to a survey conducted in France: "77% of girls wearing the hijab said they did so because of physical threats from Islamist groups."

So whether Muslim women wear burqas, chadris, hijabs, niqabs, or jilbabs, we find that if they choose not to cover up, they are harassed, flogged, stoned, beaten, raped or killed. This is not the case with nuns, although nuns wearing habits in Islamic countries are in fact harassed, flogged, stoned, beaten, raped or killed.

So it is indeed sad that Muslims living in the west and free to read newspapers and surf the web, are so uninformed of the difference between nuns (who really want to wear a habit) and veiled Muslim women (who either wear it out of fear or are unaware that it symbolizes the oppression of women). May Allah swt forgive their ignorance.

[wvwvw]

It's for the same reason a Jew can grow a beard and he's just practicing his faith, but when a Muslim does that, he's an extremist.

By growing beard a Jew is making an statement that he is an orthodox Jew. Jewish orthodoxy does not advocate bombing, shelling, terrorism and holy wars. When a Muslim grows beard he is also making an statement that he is fundamentalist Muslim. Islamic fundamentalism entails bombing, shelling, terrorism and holy wars. This is what Quran teaches. This is what is required from a good Muslim.

The issue is not the beard. The issue is what that beard stands for. A neo-nazi shaves his head and a person getting ready for chemotherapy also shaves his head. But there is a world of difference between the two. The policeman carries a gun and a thief also carries a gun. One is doing his job the other is perpetrating a crime. It is not the beard that makes a Muslim an extremist; it’s the message behind the beard.

[Dema]

Bari tell me something bro, do you fuck anything or you are still a virgin?

[wvwvw]

Yes. Muslims, Christians and Jews have lived side by side in the Middle-East and elsewhere for centuries. Do you think its a coincidence Jews fled from Europe to Muslim lands? Read into history and enlighten yourself. According to Islamic Law they are to be respected. Yes, they have to pay Jizyah, but that is nowhere near the amount Muslims must pay in zakat. And they are not even required to serve in the army, yet receive protection.

They lived in a slave-master situation. Christians were not allowed to join the army or carry arms to prevent any rebellion.

What protection Muslims provide for non-Muslims? The same kind of security that the Mafia gangsters used to provide for the businesses in Chicago during the 1930s. Jizya is extortion fee. Non-Muslims must work and maintain the Muslims or face death.

How do you think Muslims wealth increase? How did it increase? Did Umar encourage agriculture, art, industry, commerce? Where did this wealth come from? It was through looting of course.

The Muslim writers are honest enough to say: "the battles of Yarmouk and Qãdisiyyah, the Muslims won heavy spoils. The coffers at Madinah al-Munawwarah became full to the brink." and acknowledges that this wealth "came from jizyah (tax on the non-Muslims for providing security) and khums (the one-fifth of the spoils of war).

The Muslims, the welfare that they collect, is the Jizya that you are supposed to pay. They are not grateful at all and they have no intention to find a work and stop collecting this Jizya which is rightfully theirs. However the amount is not enough. They must receive most of the money that you make. Their houses must be bigger and better than yours. As long as this is not so, they feel oppressed and will fight you to end this oppression.

Once you raided innocent people and killed them, why let their property go to waist? It is yours, take it. It is all “Bounties from Allah” in gratitude for being a good servant. Their wives and children?... They too are your slaves and sex slaves. They are all yours. You have "legal" rights on them and "divine" authorization.

"Enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good." 8:69

What we learned from this? We learned that Islam, far from being a religion is a gangster organization that sustains itself by looting. Muslims are incapable of producing anything. They must loot to survive. Muhammad built his empire by looting and by casting terror in the hearts of his victims. Muslims did the same throughout the history. You are a fool if you think they have changed or they will change. As long as they call themselves Muslims and follow Muhammad they will do what he did. They are gangsters, they are looters, and they are terrorists. Don’t believe me? Just listen to what they say.

And don’t think just because Muslims don’t engage in these activities now they will not do it once they come to power. If they don’t do it now it’s because they fear the bigger powers. Once that fear is no more there, they revert to their original barbarity and follow the Quran and the sunna to the letter. Until Muslims do not leave Islam and do not denounce Muhammad, it would be foolish to trust them. Treat them as enemy, just as they treat you as enemy. Direct them to this site where proof is given exhaustively. If they leave Islam and curse the evil Muhammad, receive them as one of your owns and show them love. If they insist to call that demon a prophet, cast them aside and kick them out of your country because that is what they intend to do with you.

[Dema]

They lived in a slave-master situation. Christians were not allowed to join the army or carry arms to prevent any rebellion.

What protection Muslims provide for non-Muslims? The same kind of security that the Mafia gangsters used to provide for the businesses in Chicago during the 1930s. Jizya is extortion fee. Non-Muslims must work and maintain the Muslims or face death.

How do you think Muslims wealth increase? How did it increase? Did Umar encourage agriculture, art, industry, commerce? Where did this wealth come from? It was through looting of course.

The Muslim writers are honest enough to say: "the battles of Yarmouk and Qãdisiyyah, the Muslims won heavy spoils. The coffers at Madinah al-Munawwarah became full to the brink." and acknowledges that this wealth "came from jizyah (tax on the non-Muslims for providing security) and khums (the one-fifth of the spoils of war).

The Muslims, the welfare that they collect, is the Jizya that you are supposed to pay. They are not grateful at all and they have no intention to find a work and stop collecting this Jizya which is rightfully theirs. However the amount is not enough. They must receive most of the money that you make. Their houses must be bigger and better than yours. As long as this is not so, they feel oppressed and will fight you to end this oppression.

Once you raided innocent people and killed them, why let their property go to waist? It is yours, take it. It is all “Bounties from Allah” in gratitude for being a good servant. Their wives and children?... They too are your slaves and sex slaves. They are all yours. You have "legal" rights on them and "divine" authorization.

"Enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good." 8:69

What we learned from this? We learned that Islam, far from being a religion is a gangster organization that sustains itself by looting. Muslims are incapable of producing anything. They must loot to survive. Muhammad built his empire by looting and by casting terror in the hearts of his victims. Muslims did the same throughout the history. You are a fool if you think they have changed or they will change. As long as they call themselves Muslims and follow Muhammad they will do what he did. They are gangsters, they are looters, and they are terrorists. Don’t believe me? Just listen to what they say.

And don’t think just because Muslims don’t engage in these activities now they will not do it once they come to power. If they don’t do it now it’s because they fear the bigger powers. Once that fear is no more there, they revert to their original barbarity and follow the Quran and the sunna to the letter. Until Muslims do not leave Islam and do not denounce Muhammad, it would be foolish to trust them. Treat them as enemy, just as they treat you as enemy. Direct them to this site where proof is given exhaustively. If they leave Islam and curse the evil Muhammad, receive them as one of your owns and show them love. If they insist to call that demon a prophet, cast them aside and kick them out of your country because that is what they intend to do with you.

You talk too much, do you get laid at all?

[Paris-Brest]

Yes and someone should tell them there is no God.

Egypt is Islamic country and yet how come european tourists or european Immigrants wear their traditional clothes in Egypt and not the Islamic clothes.

You should be grateful they visit your poor country, you earn money thanks to them.
You can't compare a western tourist who stays in Egypt for only 1 week to a Muslim woman who wears a headscarf and lives in Europe her entire life. The tourist has no real impact on the host country whereas the other woman could become a citizen in the future and her kids will definitely be part of the next European generation.

[Stimpy]

Nuns are a tiny minority of Christian women that make the active choice to live the way they do.

[Profileid]

Bari tell me something bro, do you fuck anything or you are still a virgin?

They always conveniently rediscover religion after a point of degeneracy.

That way they can still feel righteous without dealing with the shame of being a male virgin.

[Profileid]

Nuns are a tiny minority of Christian women that make the active choice to live the way they do.

What does 1. Being a tiny minority 2. making an active choice to live a certain way have to do with it?

Banning hijab but letting nuns keep theirs is extremely hypocritical.