Origins of European y-dna and mt-dna discussion thread

[Harkonnen]

==>>> Papuans beated NO i Europe and in addition your I1.

Nonsense Oase was NO as was Ust-Ishim in Siberia: early NO lingered somewhere in the areas between Europe, Siberia and Central Asia. By the time R pushed north from South East Asia, West Eurasian N's pushed into North West China mixing with the Chinks. There is very early split in Euro/Siberian N and Chinese N1c1: Chinese N pushed further into East Asia whereas Euro/Siberian N1c1 lingered in this area between steppe and North West China.

[Harkonnen]

Check also this paper which modelled Oase and Ust-Ishim as West Eurasian and Mal'ta mixed with East Eurasian: this agrees with the phylogyny: early R has a very obvious Negrito origin.


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...side-of-Africa

[Journeyman26]

One of (if not the) the only members on the site with the rare mtDNA haplogroup X.. specifically X2d. Not sure if X2d1 or X2d2

X2d: found in central and eastern Europe, Italy, Georgia and Turkmenistan
X2d1: found in Italy, Germany and Poland
X2d2: found in Neolithic Anatolia

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

This picture tells it all, P is the Brother of M and S. I suspect Mal'ta boy was a recent emigrant from the Philippines who had admixed with the original ANE inhabitants of North Eurasia:

haplo R origins papua new guinea.
R ethelites

[Rethel]

haplo R origins papua new guinea.
R ethelites

Listen to him more...

[Ülev]

haplo R origins papua new guinea.
R ethelites

I just found R1a pride - blond hairs here



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papuan_people

now everything make sense

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Listen to him more...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...d_distribution

Maybe not papua but its definitely from asia or something
Haplogroup R originated somewhere in the East it looks like. But then migrated westward and invaded the real Europeans.


This probably means IJ are the first Europeans. R would probably not be it. then J migrated eastward and then Euro J2 migrated back into Europe I stayed in Europe the whole time

[Danaan]

Maybe i'm just getting hung up on the 'european' nomenclature and it doesnt mean what i think it means in relation to 'ancestry'.

When i hear ancestry, i think: 'where you come from' and the fact G1 is rare in europe just makes it more frustrating.

'European' is mostly Asiatic.

[Ülev]

Europe is a small Peninsula on Asian continent, yes!