Origins of European y-dna and mt-dna discussion thread

[Annie999]

G1 is the worst...I'm G1, i look like a swarthy arab but my ancestry is 99.8 european.

what.the.fuck.am.i?

[IM[/IMG]

Hmm? Your look/phenotype has nothing to do with your halagroups. We're speaking of a paternal or maternal line that was generated thousands of years ago, your current look is obsolete to that.

[Annie999]

I guess you re mixing up paternal and maternal dna. As an Y-dna H is found mainly in south Asia, while mtdna H is the most common in Europe.

Oh, I didnt know there was an "H" Y-dna so I just searched for "H" and took it for granted it was the maternal line. Thanks for the info

[Rethel]

G1 is the worst...I'm G1, i look like a swarthy arab but my ancestry is 99.8 european.

Why the worst?

You are very lucky. You are phenotypically more
similar to original G1-folk, so you should be glad,
that your look fits to the tribe.

Think about those nordic E1, or negro
R1... they have problem, you don;t

p.s. could be that your ancestor who was adopted, was from ME?

[de Burgh II]

Whats the theory on G1?

Essentially European Mesolithic Hunter Gatherer's were indigenously I* and U* for paternal and maternal haplogroups.

Then, Neolithic farmers came via Southeastern Europe and Iberian Peninsula routes. G* being predominantly early Neolithic that led to the mixing with European Hunter Gatherers that coincided with I* at this time. During Neolithic Age (7000 BCE - 3000 BCE); during the middle and late age of this Neolithic time came E* and J* mixed with G* and I* via the routes that made G* and I* relatively rare nowadays that can only be found in isolated areas where these haplogroup mutations still stand/ didn't get overtaken by R*, J* and E*. Then during the Bronze Age (roughly 3200 BCE), Indo-European steppe peoples (R*) came from the East and mixed with everyone and brought to what we know as today as Indo-European languages. Mt-dna-wise; H*, T2*, K*, HV*, J2* haplogroups have been postulated to have came from 3 routes/ mutation sites being the Iberian Peninsula, Balkans./S.E. Europe and West Asia when the ice sheets overtook Europe during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) c. 25,000–13,000 years ago. U* being a native European Mt-DNA haplogroup with the maternal lineage of hunter-gatherers.

Essentially G* paternally came with early neolithic farmers.

[jingorex]

Why the worst?

You are very lucky. You are phenotypically more
similar to original G1-folk, so you should be glad,
that your look fits to the tribe.

Think about those nordic E1, or negro
R1... they have problem, you don;t

p.s. could be that your ancestor who was adopted, was from ME?

I guess by 'worst' i mean frustrating to understand.

i just dont get how my paternal ancestor can be from central asia but my ancestry is 99.8% european.

Shouldn't my ancestry track more central asian, than instead 99.8% european?

[de Burgh II]

Hmm? Your look/phenotype has nothing to do with your halagroups. We're speaking of a paternal or maternal line that was generated thousands of years ago, your current look is obsolete to that.

If you would want to find more information/scholarly journals for your haplogroup you can use google scholar to find more information in deeper detail: https://scholar.google.com/

Nevertheless, they did Italian H* sample distributions in this study (Bodner et al., 2015) if you are interested :




http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...7249731400194X

[Petalpusher]

I guess by 'worst' i mean frustrating to understand.

i just dont get how my paternal ancestor can be from central asia but my ancestry is 99.8% european.

Shouldn't my ancestry track more central asian, than instead 99.8% european?

Not 50 000 years ago... Add another 50k, we would all be Africans, a few millions years, chimps, a few hundreds, fish, never stops... What matters is who you are most similar to, today. That's all other Europeans, we are defined by ourselves.


G was also most likely connected to Paleolithic Europe through Gravettian cultures, that's why they had WHG related admixture before they even entered, what is now, Europe. Everything is connected somehow, you have to forget everything you know in terms of borders, completely, as much as you go back in time.

[jingorex]

Essentially European Mesolithic Hunter Gatherer's were indigenously I* and U* for paternal and maternal haplogroups.

Then, Neolithic farmers came via Southeastern Europe and Iberian Peninsula routes. G* being predominantly early Neolithic that led to the mixing with European Hunter Gatherers that coincided with I* at this time. During Neolithic Age (7000 BCE - 3000 BCE); during the middle and late age of this Neolithic time came E* and J* mixed with G* and I* via the routes that made G* and I* relatively rare nowadays that can only be found in isolated areas where these haplogroup mutations still stand/ didn't get overtaken by R*, J* and E*. Then during the Bronze Age (roughly 3200 BCE), Indo-European steppe peoples (R*) came from the East and mixed with everyone and brought to what we know as today as Indo-European languages. Mt-dna-wise; H*, T2*, K*, HV*, J2* haplogroups have been postulated to have came from 3 routes/ mutation sites being the Iberian Peninsula, Balkans./S.E. Europe and West Asia when the ice sheets overtook Europe during the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) c. 25,000–13,000 years ago. U* being a native European Mt-DNA haplogroup with the maternal lineage of hunter-gatherers.

Essentially G* paternally came with early neolithic farmers.

Maybe i'm just getting hung up on the 'european' nomenclature and it doesnt mean what i think it means in relation to 'ancestry'.

When i hear ancestry, i think: 'where you come from' and the fact G1 is rare in europe just makes it more frustrating.

[Rethel]

I guess by 'worst' i mean frustrating to understand.

Then T is much "worse"

Or F*, or P* and many others...

G1 is quite easy comparing to them.

i just dont get how my paternal ancestor can be from central asia but my ancestry is 99.8% european.

Autosomaly = racialy you are european.
Your ascendency is 99.8% european, but ancestry don;t.
Simply, your ancestors were buying european girls, thats all.

Shouldn't my ancestry track more central asian, than instead 99.8% european?

No. But it doesn;t matter anyway.
Autosomal DNA only makes water from brain.

[Rethel]

Not 50 000 years ago... Add another 50k,

Why do you count so lightly... add yet ten zeros...
500 000 000 000 000 years will be much better!

a few millions years, chimps, a few hundreds, fish, never stops...

I was guessing, that you could be a chimp, but I would never guess that
you are a fish. Now you at least confim it, and now I understand, why you
write so much idiocy sometimes. If you are a chimp, it is totaly natural...

What matters is who you are most similar to, today

We know, that you are the most similar to the chimps and fishes. Wonderfull!

Petalpusher: