Origins of European y-dna and mt-dna discussion thread

[jingorex]

If I had to guess now; its origins are Iranic/Caucasian (Caucasus) and Scythian due to them being Iranic steepe peoples that got assimilated by Mongols/Turkic tribes in Central Asia probably via the Golden Horde. Since Central Asians are a fusion of Caucasoid and Mongoloid elements; it shouldn't be a surprise they have mixed West and East Eurasian haplogroups.

Nevertheless, there is native presence of it in Italy which I'm going to assume is its own phylogeny that is independent of the Iranic/Caucasian branches that came during early neolithic times. Maybe the G1 haplogroup is a convergent Italic branch....

Ive read some papers that mentioned the Scythian G1 link and i figure that is probably the most recent, non "european" link i can work with.

So, that lead me to a book titled "From Scythia to Camelot" that tries to cover history from about the time of Hadrian's Wall. The theory goes like this: Marcus Aurelius defeated some Scythian tribes and rolled them into his legions. He sent those Scythian Heavy Horseman (many most likely G1) to the British Isles to: 1. remove them from their land and stop any potential for insurgency and 2. squash the uprising of picts and other tribes on the British Isles.

It goes on to suggest that those Scythian Heavy Horse brought the legend of mounted knights to Britain...it gets sketchy after that.

I'd really like to believe it all, but of course it throws a wrench in the whole 'Arthurian Cycle' and pisses off a lot of self identifying Celts.

I guess it could be as simple as some drunk G mongo who managed to stumble across the alps and make his way to NW Europe and throw some serious cock around...in which case i would also be OK with it.

Thank you for looking deeper into it.

[XenophobicPrussian]

You don't need to imagine all that.




There's no E here, since it doesn't descend from F but more directly from African lineages. Just like D (Onge/Andamanese)

Even factually Natufians (pred E) in the same time frame were still more Basal Eurasian than G people.

So you're saying all Eurasian non-E y-dna is originally paleo Euro or Mongoloid and Basal Eurasians could've even been only confined to east Africa or southern Arabian peninsula?

[de Burgh II]

1) First download this 23andme converter software to y-dna snps:
http://www.y-str.org/2014/04/23andme-to-ysnps.html

2) Download ISOGG Y-Tree add on app via chrome:


https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...pdcklhnj?hl=en

3) Next, on the app on download page in Microsoft folder:


4) Next go to file ----> open 23andme raw data


5) Open up 23andme raw data autosomal file

6) Do this in software: File ----> Save Y-SNPs



7) Save data as text file via "Save As..." and right click the text file above with command: "open with" -------> Notepad



8) Once opened in notepad: Highlight all the text and right click mouse and press Copy


9) In chrome: Go to Settings ----> Extensions
and Click options hyperlink next to the ISOGG addon app:


10) Paste your data into one of the dialog boxes and name it whatever you want and hit the save settings at the top:


11) Go to ISOGG 2017 website and click on designated y-dna haplogroup:
http://isogg.org/tree/

12) Scroll down page when data from app is loaded and find a green highlighted text that will denote our own peculiar y-dna mutation:



Thus, my haplogroup would be "R-l48."

[de Burgh II]

Ive read some papers that mentioned the Scythian G1 link and i figure that is probably the most recent, non "european" link i can work with.

So, that lead me to a book titled "From Scythia to Camelot" that tries to cover history from about the time of Hadrian's Wall. The theory goes like this: Marcus Aurelius defeated some Scythian tribes and rolled them into his legions. He sent those Scythian Heavy Horseman (many most likely G1) to the British Isles to: 1. remove them from their land and stop any potential for insurgency and 2. squash the uprising of picts and other tribes on the British Isles.

It goes on to suggest that those Scythian Heavy Horse brought the legend of mounted knights to Britain...it gets sketchy after that.

I'd really like to believe it all, but of course it throws a wrench in the whole 'Arthurian Cycle' and pisses off a lot of self identifying Celts.

I guess it could be as simple as some drunk G mongo who managed to stumble across the alps and make his way to NW Europe and throw some serious cock around...in which case i would also be OK with it.

Thank you for looking deeper into it.

Anything is possible!

[Norka]

Why the worst?

You are very lucky. You are phenotypically more
similar to original G1-folk, so you should be glad,
that your look fits to the tribe.

Think about those nordic E1, or negro
R1... they have problem, you don;t

p.s. could be that your ancestor who was adopted, was from ME?

You are such a fucking retard its going beyond funny. Y-DNA has nothing to do with the way you look. Your little pepper prick dick is the result of your Y-DNA and nothing more. The reason you have a recessive jaw line is because you have autosomal Germano-Polako dna and because you are a severe mouth breather.

[jingorex]

1) First download this 23andme converter software to y-dna snps:

Here's what i got.

[jingorex]

and i went to red on G2.

[de Burgh II]

Here's what i got.

Alright, it would seem you are G-M342* mutation.

After quick search this is what I pin-pointed from this site:

G1-M342, arose about 27.000 ybp, has its highest concentrations in Iran, and somewhat less to the north and west of Iran.

Haplogroup G formed approximately 50,000 years ago as a side lineage of haplogroup IJK, but seems to have had a slow start, evolving in isolation for tens of thousands of years, possibly in the Near East, cut off from the wave of colonisation of Eurasia. (1) Now about 2,5 % of the World population has this haplogroup.

http://www.marres.education/haplogroup_G.htm

[Peterski]

Can I be a Mohican now?

The last of the Mazovians!

[jingorex]

Alright, it would seem you are G-M342* mutation.

After quick search this is what I pin-pointed from this site:

G1-M342, arose about 27.000 ybp, has its highest concentrations in Iran, and somewhat less to the north and west of Iran.

Well i guess that explains why i ALWAYS get an anal cavity search every time i fly somewhere...i always thought it was just because i was sexy