Spaniards plot south: Greeks/Albanians closer Tuscans, Bulgarians, and North Italians.

[Sikeliot]

Most Slavs live in Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Poland......

I've never seen a Greek who looks "Slavic".

You should start to shut up about those "out of your ass" theories, because they are senseless and stupid you only cohorrelate Europeans with their geographical position, "Ow Iberians are right near the French and just at a sea distance of Britain, they are Brits with a olive skin, ow Greeks are Southeastern Europeans they must be very Slav in appearence.......".

Greeks plot north of southern Italians. This is not an "out of my ass" theory, it is a fact.

[Bell Beaker]

We all know (or should know) what is the primary goal of the OP with all this Slavicwashing of Greeks. It has been his dream since he signed in, in this forum.


Isolating the Sicilians and the Southern Italians has the "most levantine/MENA of Europe" at any costs. First it was all around his endless Iberians vs Southern Italian bull crap, now he is trying to do this with the Greeks.

[Bell Beaker]

Greeks plot north of southern Italians. This is not an "out of my ass" theory, it is a fact.

Not it isn't.

Sicilians and Greeks have similar composition of haplogroups and this is the only peer reviewd genetic paper that I have to base my self.

[Sikeliot]

We all know (or should know) what is the primary goal of the OP with all this Slavicwashing of Greeks. It has been his dream since he signed in, in this forum.

Isolating the Sicilians and the Southern Italians has the "most levantine/MENA of Europe" at any costs. First it was all around his endless Iberians vs Southern Italian bull crap, now he is trying to do this with the Greeks.

Again, it is not an agenda when it is true. The most MENA influence is Malta. But my issue is the resistance to the idea that Greeks do plot north of southern Italians and Sicilians (at least the mainland does, not true for some of the islands) when this has been PROVEN time and time again.

[Sikeliot]

Not it isn't.

Sicilians and Greeks have similar composition of haplogroups and this is the only peer reviewd genetic paper that I have to base my self.

Don't go by haplogroups but by autosomal placement. See the PCA on the previous page Petalpusher posted. Greeks are CLOSER TO TUSCANS than to Sicilians.

[Sikeliot]

Same thing here ^

[Wrong]

Only real Albanians are the ones who score high east euro on ftdna. The rest are just Albanised. What have we become.... Ncncnc....

Albanised Gracil EV13ids. No wonder we have those short types among our countrymen.

[Bell Beaker]

Don't go by haplogroups but by autosomal placement. See the PCA on the previous page Petalpusher posted. Greeks are CLOSER TO TUSCANS than to Sicilians.

Ah man.........

What does that even mean? If I am 50% Northern European 50% Turk I will probably plot north of Sicilians. What it shows is that Greeks have some more Northern european ancestry than Southern Italians, it doesn't mean that they don't have a huge level of West Asian/Asia Minor ancestry like S.Italians do.

Btw, this is not even true since it's also a genetic fact that Sicilians, and a few isolated Southern Italian regions have Northern European ancestry from the Normans that puts some Greeks into shame.



The only place where I have seen Greeks scoring high R1-a is in places like Thessaloniki. Well here it goes some Southern Italian regions also score Northern European perhaps Germanic ancestry from the Normans.

[Petalpusher]

Don't go by haplogroups but by autosomal placement. See the PCA on the previous page Petalpusher posted. Greeks are CLOSER TO TUSCANS than to Sicilians.

I don't think anybody denies that, but comparing everything to south Italians or Sicilians is a bit misleading. Anybody in central Europe is like 80% Icelandic in comparison, of course Greeks are closer to central Europe, it's not that miraculous even considering the geography.

[RN97]

We all know (or should know) what is the primary goal of the OP with all this Slavicwashing of Greeks. It has been his dream since he signed in, in this forum.


Isolating the Sicilians and the Southern Italians has the "most levantine/MENA of Europe" at any costs. First it was all around his endless Iberians vs Southern Italian bull crap, now he is trying to do this with the Greeks.

There are no proof that it has anything to do with mixture that came from Slavs, MENAS etc.
However indeed Greeks have slightly more ANE than s. Italians making them closer to south slavs and even slavs compared to s. Italians.
It is also well known that in Europe South Italians are indeed the most south-plotting population along with Maltese and Greeks (Greeks plot more east, but can plot equally south, that's what Sikeliot denies). That means that s. Italians/ Greeks and Maltese indeed are closest to Caucasoid MENAS compared to other European groups.
That doesn't mean they are at all close to those pop. Just closer compared to other Euro groups.