Arvanites: are they Greeks or Albanians?

[Wrong]

Funny how this one gives me Serbian while some others don't. Closer than you. Maybe 23andme would give me like you... Maybe. That's probably what is pulling me more north.

If I was to use other calcs I'm pretty sure I'd be more southern plotting.

Neither does it fit other autosomal results. Dema is also more southern plotting on this than me yet gets more east Euro on ftdna and other northern components on DNA land lmao


These DNA tests are mind boggling. Something has to be wrong.

Taking a 23andme test twice under different times yields different results, too. Siblings also plot differently.. Twins aswell for sure.

[Dema]

Yeah man

Here is mine, f*ck it:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 18.7
2 East_Med 17.64
3 West_Med 17.64
4 Baltic 13.84
5 North_Sea 11.88
6 West_Asian 10.45
7 Eastern_Euro 6.56
8 Red_Sea 2.29
9 Sub-Saharan 0.6
10 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.73
2 Greek 6.85
3 Romanian 7.87
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.21
5 Tuscan 8.62
6 North_Italian 10.18
7 Serbian 10.91
8 Italian_Abruzzo 11.27
9 West_Sicilian 12.05
10 Central_Greek 12.51
11 East_Sicilian 13.23
12 Ashkenazi 13.91
13 South_Italian 15.26
14 Moldavian 16.22
15 Austrian 16.51
16 Portuguese 16.56
17 Spanish_Andalucia 16.66
18 Spanish_Extremadura 16.73
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.03
20 Spanish_Cataluna 17.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.1% Bulgarian + 13.9% Sardinian @ 2.74
2 62% Bulgarian + 38% Tuscan @ 2.8
3 66.5% Bulgarian + 33.5% North_Italian @ 2.96
4 77.4% Greek + 22.6% East_German @ 3.3
5 77.9% Bulgarian + 22.1% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.36
6 76.8% Greek + 23.2% Southwest_French @ 3.41
7 78.6% Greek + 21.4% South_Dutch @ 3.52
8 73.3% Greek + 26.7% Austrian @ 3.54
9 76.5% Greek + 23.5% French @ 3.59
10 82.2% Greek + 17.8% Southwest_English @ 3.62
11 74.3% Greek + 25.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.68
12 74.5% Greek + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.71
13 77.4% Greek + 22.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.75
14 79.9% Bulgarian + 20.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.75
15 83.7% Greek + 16.3% Irish @ 3.77
16 82.9% Greek + 17.1% Southeast_English @ 3.8
17 82% Greek + 18% North_German @ 3.81
18 72.8% Bulgarian + 27.2% West_Sicilian @ 3.82
19 82.6% Bulgarian + 17.4% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.85
20 81.3% Bulgarian + 18.7% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.86


btw there is thread for it: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...results/page78

[Skerdilaid]

Here you go Xhak Bauer

[Wrong]

Here you go Xhak Bauer

I am an exception from you guys

Eurogenes always seems to pull me more southeast than other calculators it seems.

[Dema]

Here you go Xhak Bauer

hes leaning toward the Greeks : D We have a Hellenic here!

[Skerdilaid]

I am an exception from you guys

Eurogenes always seems to pull me more southeast than other calculators it seems.

Depends on the calculators, I remember a while back me and you on another calc were almost exactly on the same spot, you were a tad bit more western. They are good to play around with, not to be taken seriously

[Wrong]

Depends on the calculators, I remember a while back me and you on another calc were almost exactly on the same spot, you were a tad bit more western. They are good to play around with, not to be taken seriously

It's fun to see how far I am apart from Fustan here

[DarknessWin]

The “Greek Revolution” of 1821 against the Ottoman Empire was essentially an Albanian revolt, as chieftains and corps of brigands (palikaria) were Arvanites in their majority.
The national hero Markos Botsaris, like all the other Albanians of the era, spoke only Albanian and, at the very best, had a little knowledge of Greek language. In the gatherings which usually took place in ruined ancient theatres of classical era and the False-Greeks historians call pompously “National Assemblies”, the barbarian participants spoke Albanian. Theodoros Kolokotronis, off-spring of an old family of Christian Albanians from Peloponnese and the man who played a catalytic role in the War of Greek Independence (1821-30), had Hellenized his surname from Bythegouras (deriving from the Albanian words bytha = anus and goura = stone) and had served as mercenary in the British Army which were stationed in the Seven Isles, where Britons had organized an army corps with such soldiers of fortune, the so-called “Albanian Company”. The Souliots of southern Epirus, who struggled against Ali Pasa, ruler of Ioannina (Janina) and one of the greatest personalities in European history at the end of 18th and the beginning of 19th centuries, were Albanians.

They (Vlachs) were rarely used by Byzantines as mercenaries, because, according to registered reports of the time, they were regarded as “capricious and unreliable troublemakers and thieves”. Perhaps the word Vlach, which for the Asia Minor Greeks meant “churl” and “peasant” and implied almost the whole of False-Greeks, later on, for the Smyrna refugees, has its root to the Middle Ages.
The Vlachs of Greece hardly participated in the War of Greek Independence of 1821 against the Ottoman Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Kolettis
Kolettis was of Aromanian origin.[2]
In 1813, he settled at Ioannina, where he served as a doctor and after gaining standing he was recruited as the personal doctor of Ali Pasa's son, Muqtar Pasa. He remained in Ioannina till March 1821, when he entered Filiki Eteria and left for Syrrako, together with chieftain Raggos, in order to spread the revolution into Central Greece (Rumeli), but his efforts quickly failed because of the rapid reaction of the Ottoman army. Kolettis was the leader of the pro-French party and based his power on his relations with the leaders of Central Greece but also on his ability to eliminate his adversaries by acting behind the scenes.

No, the loan was given later.

Who? Rigas Feraios, but he was a Vlach, not a greek.

lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Ypsilantis
In the meantime, the Ottomans crossed the Danube river with 30,000 tactical troops, and Ypsilantis, instead of advancing on Brăila, where he arguably could have prevented the Ottoman armies entering the Principalities and might have forced Russia to accept a fait accompli, retreated and organized his defense at a semi-mountainous area close to Iaşi. There followed a series of major battles that lead to the defeat of the Eteria's forces, culminating in the final defeat at Drăgăşani on 19 June. After a long march in the rain, Ypsilantis's army was exhausted, but Karavias, who was drunk led the Sacred Band into a charge against the Ottomans.[9] As the inexperienced and ill-trained men of the Sacred Band did not form squares, which allowed them to pack enough firepower together, the Ottoman cavalry had no difficulty in cutting down the rebels.[9] After the defeat, Ypsilantis fled north. Ypsilantis in his final declaration to his men refused to accept responsibility for his failure and blamed his men for all his failures, writing:

"Soldiers! No! I will no longer pollute that sacred and honourable name by applying it to you. You are a cowardly rabble!...You have broken your oaths, you have betrayed God and your country, you have betrayed me too at the moment when I hoped either to conquer or to die with honor among you...Run off to the Turks, who alone are worthy of your support...run off to the Turks, and kiss their hands from which still drips the blood of those they have inhumanly slaughtered. Yes! Run off to them, buy slavery with your lives and with the honor of your wives and children!"[10]

Ypsilantis's army booed him when he read out this declaration.
Ypsilantis, accompanied by what remained of his followers, retreated to Râmnic, where he spent some days in negotiating with the Austrian authorities for permission to cross the frontier. Fearing that his defeated followers might surrender him to the Turks, he gave out that Austria had declared war on Turkey, caused a Te Deum to be sung in the church of Cozia, and, on pretext of arranging measures with the Austrian commander-in-chief, crossed the frontier. But the reactionary policies of the Holy Alliance were enforced by Francis I and Klemens Metternich, and the country refused to give asylum for leaders of revolts in neighboring countries. Ypsilantis was kept in close confinement for seven years (1823 to 1827 in Terezín), until he was released at the insistence of the emperor Nicholas I of Russia.[11]
After his release, he retired to Vienna, where he died in extreme poverty and misery on 29 January 1828.[11]

It is also said that history is written by the winners. Surely it is not written by the losers. Ali Pasa was not placed in the Pantheon of great personalities of the “Albanian Revolution”, as it happened with Papaflessa, an intriguer priest of the time, who, although relatively petty, is honored as a hero by the modern “New-Greeks”.

Ali Pasha is the first person that you have to be thankful.

http://tuckmagazine.com/2014/08/14/fearful-history/

LOL idiot just shut the fuck up, you come back all the time with the same propaganda and quotes from other anti-Greeks.
Now you say that Papaflessas was arvanitan too??? Are you fucking kidding me??

Grhgorios Dikaios (Papaflessas) was Messenian from Kalamata , pure Greek with even more pure ancient Greek name

All of us know only 1 arvanite, Botsaris and he was again arvanitovlach so not pure arvanite.
Even the pure arvanites were not albanians anyway so why we must stay here and speak with you clown???
95% of the warriors were not arvanites or arvanitovlachs and its proven that Albanians of the time fought
in the side of Ottomans (turkalvanoi) like Ali Pasha.

What are you trying to prove here?? Albanians not they started the revolution but they were the servant of the turks
who tried to stop the Greek revolution.
Also in Europe and Ottoman Empire the Revolution was known as "GREEK REVOLUTION"
Noone even speaked about albanian revolution

Fuck you clown

[Ujku]

Yo guys stop ruining this thread.

[Trilecce]

Heres anther guy with an Arvanite surname.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgios_Grivas
Greva simply means starvation. The professor at the start of this thread also lists it as an arvanite surname.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw2X...YBNl0t-4xi6Q4g

So albano-greeks are central figures in the liberatins of both Greece and Cyprus