I2a1b-"Din" - Slavic or Paleolithic Balkan?

[Dick]

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...Balkans/page22


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[Dema]

Slavic ethnogenesis/identity probably stems from I2a1b-carriers between the Baltics and Steppe getting conquered by Scythian R1a-carriers.

I dont know is there enough evidence to connect R1a with Scythians Slavicizing I2a1b but for sure I2a1 got Slavicized over Carpathian mountains just like all Slavophone countries over there. They were Slavicized by some R1a dominant group of people.
Even TMRCA of 2400 years of I2a1b was most likely born as Slav.

Here is interesting article about some history and Slavicization also its interesting how Slavicization took over native Baltic languages. - http://erenow.com/ancient/thefalloft...istory/27.html

[Wrong]

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads...Balkans/page22


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Yes, that one is from 2011, back when most south slavs "we wuz paleolithic balkan".

[Dick]

Yes, that one is from 2011, back when most south slavs "we wuz paleolithic balkan".

I didn't see the date. I searched google on the gothic theory of the subclade.

[Wrong]

I didn't see the date. I searched google on the gothic theory of the subclade.

The date when the thread was created I meant. The dating and subclade diversal analysis started to come out later in those circles.

[Tschaikisten]

I2a - paleolithic Balkan
I2a1b Dinaric - Slavic
So simply for understand.

[Wrong]

Originally Posted by The Destroyer
how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

[Deniz]

What's the percentage in Albania?Paleolithic or Dinaric?

[Dema]

Originally Posted by The Destroyer
how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

Thats my conversation with Destroyer, i was so disappointed in him when he told me that.. Even worse he been to visit them and still believed they are real

[cosmoo]

It would not make sense whatsoever, since I2a1b-Din is absent in Italy where Goths settled. Only I2a1b-Din found in Italy is from a recent Croatian minority.

While I2a2 has chiefly amounts across the country.

I2a1b-Din is completely absent in areas of Italy where Goths settled

Explanation for this is fairly simple. Population of Italy numbered around 10 millions on the beginning on new era. When Goths came, that number was considerably bigger. Theoderic gathered 20.000 warriors in total (he couldn't rally enough Goths (who preferred staying in western Balkans, Thrace, and Ukraine, according to Herwig Wolfram), so he had to fill his ranks with Gepids, Rugii, Alans, etc.), and when we add rest of those that went with him, it sums up to a maximum of 100.000. If you do a bit of calculating, you will see that Goths were just drop in water when compared to native Italian population. They numbered less than one percent of total population when they came, and when we consider what Procopious wrote about total massacre of Goths which occured in Italy (in constrast to province of Dalmatia, where he said many settled permanently after the war), then you clearly see that there is no way at all that they could have left any genetic impact.