Genetics of the Peloponnesean populations and the theory of extinction of the medieval Peloponnesean

[Sikeliot]

Sikeliot, this study measured the IBD of the Peloponnesian population, not the autosomal results. The study concludes that the ancestry that Pelopponesians and Slavs share is not very significant which leads me to believe that this northern ancestry has to predate the Slavic migrations.

Oh I see. I'd have liked to see IBD sharing between Peloponnesians and Sicilians because "Italians" includes Tuscans and other central Italians.

I'd also like to see a study on Sicilians to see if it detects Levantine affinity, because it determined in this study there is almost none in the Peloponnesians.

[catgeorge]

considering that 20%+ is not even among South Slavs, then that's impossible, at least for thessaly which has very few slavic toponymes and archaeological documents suggest no much slavic activity.

As for Thrace I have not seen any study yet. Most of its inhabitants are Pontic Greeks now, this is an example of a native Thracian

Or even worse...a Thracian/Epirot mix



As far as I am concerned Sikeliot can claim this clown as his bretheren

[Sikeliot]

considering that 20%+ is not even among South Slavs, then that's impossible, at least for thessaly which has very few slavic toponymes and archaeological documents suggest no much slavic activity.

So if we now can assume based on this study that Peloponnesians are like Sicilians + some minor amount of Slavic, does this mean that pre-Slavic Peloponnesians were similar to modern Sicilians, Cretans, etc?

[Sikeliot]

Or even worse...a Thracian/Epirot mix



As far as I am concerned Sikeliot can claim this clown as his bretheren

Why would I claim him? He doesn't look like one of mine with his far-spaced eyes and toad-like features.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Or even worse...a Thracian/Epirot mix



As far as I am concerned Sikeliot can claim this clown as his bretheren

He is actually from Kavala (half), Not thrace but still close to Thrace

[Sikeliot]

Can someone please answer my question:

If the study implies the least Slavicized Peloponnesians are close to Sicilians, and those same Peloponnesians had no detectable affinity to Lebanese Maronites, does this mean they would have found Sicilians, too, to have no affinity to Maronites?

[brennus dux gallorum]

So if we now can assume based on this study that Peloponnesians are like Sicilians + some minor amount of Slavic, does this mean that pre-Slavic Peloponnesians were similar to modern Sicilians, Cretans, etc?

Not at all, as both Cretans and Sicilians (the first including slavic adm.) have changed not to a lesser degree than Pelloponesians

[catgeorge]

This is a pure Thracian

[Sikeliot]

Not at all, as both Cretans and Sicilians (the first including slavic adm.) have changed not to a lesser degree than Pelloponesians

I guess to determine what is the case for those populations, we'd need a study about them like this. what is difficult here is determining of that 85-96% similarity to Italians, if it is moreso to Tuscans or Sicilians since the study groups them in one!

Here is a Sicilian result from a region that has been isolated and is locked deep inland, please contribute because I'd like your input: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?204864

[brennus dux gallorum]

This is a pure Thracian

this one too