Polish Syndrome

[Medhane]

In these days and ages of exaggerated political correctness, when even German folk tales in the literary edition of the Brothers Grimm become a subject of censorship, it appears impossible to quote publicly the statements of German classics about some mental features of our Polish neighbors. Today you won't find a faster way to earn some nasty label from politically correct biomass dwelling on the web unless of course you post that you hated the way those Arab refugees treated your wife or daughter, cause that's what instantly makes you a fascist without even a chance for rehabilitation. Therefore, I put aside the shadows of the German ancestors with their 'adventures of Krapulinski and Waschlapski'. There's however a man no one could possibly call Nazi. He is Winston Churchill. So let's start with him.

'It is a mystery and tragedy of European history that a people capable of every heroic virtue, gifted, valiant, charming, as individuals, should repeatedly show such inveterate faults in almost every aspect of their governmental life'. You couldn't have said it better. Especially after Polish Defence Minister Antoni Macierewicz and Prime Minister Beata Szydło made another portion of delirious statements on a certain right of Poland to demand reparation payments from Germany for damages inflicted during WWII. Two thirds of the Poles, according to the public surveys, happily supported this nonsense. This obviously goes in total ignorance of the fact that the USSR had satisfied the reparation claims of Poland from its shares as stipulated at the Yalta and Potsdam conferences; and that in 1954 the Polish People's Republic voluntarily waived its right to war reparations from the German Democratic Republic. The Polish media are now full of headlines like 'We are the victims of genocide'. But there is an indisputable fact standing behind all that hysteria – those, who call themselves 'victims', got blood of so many people on their own hands. 'Red Army soldiers in the Polish captivity in 1919 – 1922' - a collection of documents and materials based on Russian and Polish archives was published thirteen years ago in Russia. Flogging with barbed wire, forced up to exhaustion running, beating with guns, deprivation of shoes and clothes, total lack of bunk beds along with many other barbaric acts of cruelty committed on behalf of noble Poles led to the death of at least 30 thousand prisoners of war. The survivors pointed out that the deliberate genocide was precisely targeted at Russians and Jews. Heinrich Himmler had a perfect model to follow when learning the art of a concentration camp executioner! Should I tell you what awaited German population of Poland at the beginning of the war? I will, if you please. 'Eyes of the two people were plucked out by bayonets, their eye sockets were empty and represented nothing but a bloody mass. Three skulls were smashed and brains leaked out of them'. These are the testimonies of Pavel Sikorsky - an elderly witness to the infernal horror – only a small episode of the terrible massacre seen by Wehrmacht soldiers who entered Bromberg after the Bloody Sunday. The streets were covered with mutilated bodies of men, women, young children and elderly. According to some estimates, 58 thousand people were slaughtered. They were not enemy soldiers; they were peaceful workers, neighbors, fellow citizens of those Poles, finally. Who did this? Were they poor "victims of war"? Or were they evil vultures who came to the Munich meal of German lion to steal a bloody piece of Cieszyn Silesia from Czechoslovakia? Churchill was extremely right calling Poland a greedy hyena of Eastern Europe.

But that's enough about atrocities and annexations.... Now let's talk about what Warsaw has 'legally' received after WWII in addition to monetary and material reparations. Here you are: a part of West Prussia, a part of Silesia, Eastern Pomerania, Eastern Brandenburg, an important port city of Danzig and a part of Szczecin – literally Poland got about 25% of Eastern territories of Germany within the borders of 1937. Poles got habitable, economically developed lands from which those poor 'victims of genocide' have driven away more than two million ethnic Germans. All their houses, productive farms and prosperous enterprises went to the Poles. And now those Poles, wiping their fake tears, want to get reparation payments from grandchildren of those whom they had expelled from these lands! How would they like, I wonder, a counterclaim demanding the return of territories which had belonged to Germany for more than 800 years? Yes, let Germany and Poland both play this fascinating but dangerous game. It's high time for Warsaw to face it that a syndrome of victim should be left far in the past.

[Loki]

Wow, shocking. Especially that two thirds of Poles support this. I thought the new generations had put the war behind them. But seemingly not.

[Peterski]

Wow, shocking. Especially that two thirds of Poles support this. I thought the new generations had put the war behind them. But seemingly not.

My family still hasn't gotten back compensation for our real estate in Gdynia that was stolen by the Germans in November 1939 (when they shot my relative who was a merchant in Gdynia), so it is not behind us.

These are the testimonies of Pavel Sikorsky - an elderly witness to the infernal horror – only a small episode of the terrible massacre seen by Wehrmacht soldiers who entered Bromberg after the Bloody Sunday. The streets were covered with mutilated bodies of men, women, young children and elderly. According to some estimates, 58 thousand people were slaughtered. They were not enemy soldiers; they were peaceful workers, neighbors, fellow citizens of those Poles, finally. Who did this? Were they poor "victims of war"?

Stop spreading false Nazi Anti-Polish war propaganda:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody...)#The_incident

You had the same propaganda against Czechs in 1938:

[wvwvw]

Τhe Poles are absolutely right to seek reparation from Greedy Germany. The real hyena is Germany and always has been, not Poland.

I posted a thread about it awhile ago, but in Greek. I am reposting it here using Google translate

The conflict of Poland with Germany
08.22.2017

Regardless of Greece, which can no longer claim anything, the issue of war reparations that has arisen in Poland is far from trivial - after putting in threat to EU cohesion that is essential for the development of the 4th German Reich.

"The East Germany (DDR) played a very important role in the peace that prevailed in Europe after the second world war - because it contributed greatly to the destruction of the old Prussian regime. Simultaneously, it prevented the proliferation of 'Prussian type "human - of that Nazi disciplined and pathological Method Man,whose actions defined and directed by his superego.

Unfortunately, the union with West Germany has suspended these properties - and the governance of the whole country from the current Chancellor and Finance Minister, two fanatical Protestants that created an even worse type of man:

the "Prussian Protestant" who not only Nazi disciplined, as well as pathological businesslike character, directed by the superego - but moreover requires exemplary, rigorous and ruthless punishment of all who do not follow the dictatorial commands, assuming that you are committing a very serious sin "(BB).

When the Germans their reconciliation with Poland, a country that has suffered greatly from both the Prussian regime, and Russia, was one of their greatest efforts since the late 1960s - having until recently believed that , they had succeeded. Today however doubt because the MPs of the ruling party "Law and Justice» (PiS), mainly the defense minister, have begun conducting a scientific investigation with the assistance of the Polish Parliament - which is studying whether required or not Germany war reparations in their country.

Of course, the German Government argues, as in the case of Greece that there is not on the side of international law or by private law a basis to substantiate the Polish demands - let alone any chance of success of an action against it. Of course the position is not so easy, as the topic of Greece, he can not plead the excuse that Poland remembered now because they can not pay its debts - and the country has been driven into the trap of debt, or submissive ruled by leaders who would be reluctant to incite the subject.

Besides the public debt of Poland to GDP is much lower than that of Germany (55% - blue columns, left vertical in the graph), the minimum budget deficit (dotted line, right column), the current account the deficit is only 0.3%, while foreign debt, although almost doubled since 2007, from 2014 began to decline. Regarding household debt relative to their income is only at 60.61% (next graph) - when Australians approaching 200%

The president is now the ruling party announced that Germany refuses many years to assume its responsibilities for the 2nd World War - recalling that the damage caused by German aggression in Poland from 1939 to 1944 was enormous. Worse, no country had so many victims, as a percentage of the population as Poland - where "killed" more than 6 million. People, of which half were Jews indeed, but Polish nationals.

Besides, the Nazis caused huge material losses to the country and sacked more than any other on the planet - while the reparations due in Poland, according to the party "Law and Justice", estimated between € 845 billion and € 1.8 trillion.

The German objections

Refusing now the Germans to pay, do not rely on the agreement 2 + 4 (= the two Germanys united and the four victorious powers - analysis) and / or that of 1953, as in the case of Greece, but the Potsdam agreement signed immediately after the war, in 1945 - where it was agreed that the Soviet Union would undertake to meet Poland's claims in relation to the war reparations from its own share in them!

Besides claiming that the annexation of major German territories by Poland (Silesia, eastern Brandenburg, Pomerania, southeastern Prussia), can be considered as payment of war reparations - after any hostile country of former 3rd Reich, apart from Russia and Poland no German occupied territories in perpetuity. Indirectly, therefore, the Germans refer to future territorial claims - which of course has further upset the Poles, who believe that inside every German is a Nazi hiding.

Further Germans recall the statement of the Government of the Polish People's Republic in 1953, whereby the following: "Taking due account that Germany has largely repay its obligations regarding the war reparations, as well as that improving the economic situation of Germany serve the peaceful development of the government of the People's Republic of Poland decided to forgo the payment of compensation, with effect on 01.01.1954. "

The statement of course is contradictory, since if Germany had paid would be no reason for resignation of Poland. The argument, however, the Polish Government is that, then the people's democracy was one puppet of Russia - which is certainly reasonable, since in many this was the case with most states of the Soviet Union.

In this argument, Germany opposes that, democratic and non-dependent anymore on Russia Today Poland, settled in 1991 as part of the Neighborhood Agreement with Germany all existing open issues - and through a foundation out payments of billions to Poles living yet, having compelled to forced labor by the Nazis.

Besides all subsequent governments of Poland withdrew many times and their net returns from the German compensation - and the then prime minister (M. Belka) announced that the issue had been closed once and for all.

The categories Germany

Continuing, the Germans claim that the Polish government does not require compensation because he believes will recover, but for political reasons - because the legitimacy stems from the traditional nationalism of the country! In this way, therefore cultivates a historic culture, for which the second World War is very important - while nationalism is connected Poland with the myth of national victimization, enriched with a large dose of Catholicism.

Legend but he, like any myth, is not realistic background - presumably meaning that the Poles were never victims of their neighbors! So that Poland is trying to rewrite history by falsifying or erasing parts of it - so it serves "at will" interests.

Simply put, the Germans accuse the Polish government that in order to maintain the nationalist voters, creates enemies of the nation - the faces of both the supposed traditional oppressors, Germany and Russia. For the Government therefore important national sensitization on good relations with Germany - especially as the focus of the crimes of the Nazis to serve, as regards the criticism received from Germany for political conditions inside.

Finally, always in Germany the Polish government is behaving irresponsibly after endanger reconciliation efforts between the two countries - which had until recently been crowned with success in several postwar generations of Germans and Poles policies. Partly, of course, reminds us to some extent their respective positions in relation to Greece, when governments tried to bring up the issue of war reparations - recalling that famous German historians affirm their debt, as Mr. A. Ritschl, the who had written the following:

"If you change the mood in Greece (if" wake up ", ie the Greeks, if they elect enough, unselfish, capable, courageous politicians and claim their rights), then it is very likely to follow other European countries - requiring in turn money without any doubt we owe them. If therefore obliged legally to pay back all our obligations, then they will take us and our shirts - since, under the London Agreement, the war reparations which were not paid in 1953 should be paid in case of any reunification of Germany .

In this case, it would be much better not only to reorganize the Greek economy with our own exclusive cost, but we did generously. If instead comply with international laws and pay our debts, continue to pretend rich banker, who smokes calm his cigar and did not want to pay his debts, blackmailing his creditors, we will eventually come our a huge bill. In any case, Greece would have the opportunity to make a new beginning - an opportunity that was offered to the ungrateful Germany many times before , especially from the US 1953 ".

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We know that there are unfortunately many Greeks, who feel that there is no question of German compensation -because the Germans have always been financed through special institutions and several important Greek media, to modulate according to public opinion. But regardless of Greece, where most political parties bow to the Chancellor, the issue that has arisen in Poland is far from trivial - he endangers the cohesion of the EU which is essential for the development of the 4th German Reich.

Epilogue

Concluding we believe that, if Germany wants to ally with Russia, the US They will immediately reach Poland, as is demonstrated by the recent visit of President Trump - as well as some other Eastern and not only European countries, to offset the loss of (article). If not Poland supported by the US, he will follow the example of Great. Britain's outgoing EU - has declared many times that never adopted the euro, despite being contractual obligation .

In this context, the conflict between Poland and Germany, among others, the issue of migration, will occupy us enough in the future - and any of Poland's exit from the EU will mark the beginning of the end, if we assume that there will be one relative importance of M output. Britain.

[Loki]

My family still hasn't gotten back compensation for our real estate in Gdynia that was stolen by the Germans in November 1939 (when they shot my relative who was a merchant in Gdynia), so it is not behind us.

There are many millions of people who never got any compensation for WW2. Especially Germans, who lost all of Prussia and a big chunk of the east. They lost everything and got no reparations. Russians also didn't get any reparations, even though Russia is the country who suffered the most by far. I never hear them complaining about this, they just get on with things. My family also got no reparations for losses suffered from the British in the Boer War.

[Peterski]

Germans started the war and lost it. Why should they get reparations if they started it?

And German eastern teritories cannot be considered as "war reparations", because Poland got them in exchange for our eastern territories, which were stolen by the Soviet Union.

And getting Szczecin (which was not anything special) does not compensate the loss of Lviv, which was the 3rd largest city in pre-war Poland, and the 2nd most culturally productive after Warsaw.

While cities such as Gdańsk and Wrocław have some Polish history (apart from having German history), Szczecin has practically no historical ties with Poland. So I don't even care about Szczecin, Germans can get it back, if Poland gets back Lviv. But we will never give them back Silesia, Pomerelia and Prussia.

As for getting supposedly "habitable and economically developed" territories:

Most of German eastern territories were devastated by war in 1945. Poles had to rebuild them.

[Loki]

Germans started the war and lost it. Why should they get reparations if they started it?

And what about the Russians?

By the way, you already got your reparations in the form of EU membership. Without German help there and German money, Poland would still have been a basket case.

[Loki]

I think if Poland continues to pester Germany for reparations, Germany should pay them, but then impose economic sanctions on Poland -- which was in the pipeline now anyway already.

[wvwvw]

And what about the Russians?

By the way, you already got your reparations in the form of EU membership. Without German help there and German money, Poland would still have been a basket case.

Germany would be the biggest basket case now had it not her debt been written off. An outrageous and illegal act considering its crimes against humanity.

The German "miracle" is the greatest joke ever. It is a very corrupt country on so many aspects. There are so many myths about Germany.

[Finnish Swede]

Germans started the war and lost it.[/ Why should they get reparations if they started it?

Which would be more strong...morally right?


BTW: There are only one country in world which paid all it's World War II war indemnities...every **** penny. And that country ain't started war.