Race Is More Important Than Ethnicity

[kiko]

Yes, I agree.

Race is more important, because it remains in the genes forever, while ethnic groups can change within centuries.

I do think that ethnicity & nationality are both very important, but they are not biological, so they can be changed within time.

But race can't, because race is natural.

[Defiance]

So for example if you have these two marriage options:

1) A woman of your favourite racial background, immigrant to the USA, unfamiliar with US culture, with a foreign accent and poor English skills

2) A woman of another racial background, native US-born, familiar with American culture, with no foreign accent and with perfect English skills

Which one do you prefer?

Option number one. Easy. Assuming that she's a decent woman overall, of course.

A good, constructive question, by the way. Thanks for asking.

[Peterski]

Option number one. Easy. Assuming that she's a decent woman overall, of course.

A good, constructive question, by the way. Thanks for asking.

Yeah, I guess that the bolded part is what actually matters more than either race, ethnicity or nationality.

[Hadouken]

(more) "important" in what sense ?

[Insuperable]

There are circumstances when it is more important so yes I agree. For example someone who is sa 75% Swedish and 25% Nigerian is certainly less Swedish than someone who is 50% Swedish and 50% Danish (or 50% some other European) despite the former having more Swedish ancestry.

[StormBringer]

Tribes gave way to ethnos, ethnos gave way to nations, but I don't think nations gave way to race yet, at least in Europe.

[Defiance]

This is a high traffic forum.
Or maybe they just liek u

I mean the very moment the thread is posted, I look down to see that people are already viewing it. Makes no bloody sense, I tell you.

(more) "important" in what sense ?

Please see my response, for whatever it's worth, to Litvin on page one.

[Robocop]

Is race or ethnicity more important than health?

Just asking.

[Pennywise]

"Race" is a too fuzzy concept to begin with and it is mostly used in North America in a very superficial way.

[Herr Abubu]

You start off with a claim that's a complete non sequitur. Not only is it a non sequitur, but race is not just as susceptible to flux, change, it is far more so than race. Also, what constitutes a race is, purely biologically speaking, is completely arbitrary. The greatest contradiction, however, is the fact that you argue this using language and you argue this with—horrendously bad—philosophical presuppositions you have acquired culturally. Your assumption that race is just this brute fact out there in the world, f.e., is an empiricist assumption, which originated in the Enlightenment Anglo-Saxon world. You also assume biological-genetic determinism, an absolutely ridiculous position, which stems from the very same Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Anglo-Saxon world, to be true, and you argue from that position and denigrate other views while never showing it to be true. It is exactly a non-biological determinism that you argue against, because if we assume your position is true, culture and language are simply outgrowths of our biology—again, absurd. You want to argue that biology is fundamental. If it is the case that we are biologically determined, you can in no way say that racialism is the best position. Nor is your belief in biological determinism anything but biologically determined. I.e., you are simply programmed to argue for biological determinism, so you arguing for its truth is a contradiction as you wouldn't know it is true, and there would be no reason to believe that you are biologically programmed to speak the truth. However, in the case that we aren't just flesh robots, which we most certainly aren't, language and culture would trump race. Language and culture, which are essentially the same, are the way we think, how we see the world and so on. For there to be any commonality between two people, they first have to be able to communicate. You don't only need language to communicate, but also culture. Two people speaking the same language albeit with completely different cultural backgrounds will not understand each other very well, because they will see everything different. For two people to communicate, they must not only speak the same words, but they must also understand the same words the same.