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    Quote Originally Posted by Robocop View Post
    Is race or ethnicity more important than health?

    Just asking.
    That seems to be a non sequiter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Manzikert View Post
    "Race" is a too fuzzy concept to begin with and it is mostly used in North America in a very superficial way.
    It's more tangible than nationality, which was my whole point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    That seems to be a non sequiter.


    It's more tangible than nationality, which was my whole point.
    No it isn't. Nationality goes in hand with culture and tradition which are too strong aspects in human society. Surely remain more important than your skull shape and genetic make up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herr Abubu View Post
    You start off with a claim that's a complete non sequitur. Not only is it a non sequitur, but race is not just as susceptible to flux, change, it is far more so than race. Also, what constitutes a race is, purely biologically speaking, is completely arbitrary. The greatest contradiction, however, is the fact that you argue this using language and you argue this with—horrendously bad—philosophical presuppositions you have acquired culturally. Your assumption that race is just this brute fact out there in the world, f.e., is an empiricist assumption, which originated in the Enlightenment Anglo-Saxon world. You also assume biological-genetic determinism, an absolutely ridiculous position, which stems from the very same Enlightenment and post-Enlightenment Anglo-Saxon world, to be true, and you argue from that position and denigrate other views while never showing it to be true. It is exactly a non-biological determinism that you argue against, because if we assume your position is true, culture and language are simply outgrowths of our biology—again, absurd. You want to argue that biology is fundamental. If it is the case that we are biologically determined, you can in no way say that racialism is the best position. Nor is your belief in biological determinism anything but biologically determined. I.e., you are simply programmed to argue for biological determinism, so you arguing for its truth is a contradiction as you wouldn't know it is true, and there would be no reason to believe that you are biologically programmed to speak the truth. However, in the case that we aren't just flesh robots, which we most certainly aren't, language and culture would trump race. Language and culture, which are essentially the same, are the way we think, how we see the world and so on. For there to be any commonality between two people, they first have to be able to communicate. You don't only need language to communicate, but also culture. Two people speaking the same language albeit with completely different cultural backgrounds will not understand each other very well, because they will see everything different. For two people to communicate, they must not only speak the same words, but they must also understand the same words the same.
    Pretty odd that we'd both choose to use the term "non sequiter" at essentially the same time.

    Anyway. WHAT the fuck are you babbling about?!?!
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    Race and genetic affinity correlates with ethnic groups:


    Off course there are in-group differences as well, but in general if someone says they're southern French, you can get an idea of what they are genetically and who they're closest to.

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    I didn't say that race was the be-all-end-all of human identity.
    I didn't say that ethnicity didn't matter.
    I did say that the former is far more concrete, and thus far more relevant, than the latter.
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    i think the cultural factor is much more important then the genetic factor. how can someone's color be more important then his language, religion (if applies), ideals, history, customs, traditions, morals? i don't find the logic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defiance View Post
    Pretty odd that we'd both choose to use the term "non sequiter" at essentially the same time.

    Anyway. WHAT the fuck are you babbling about?!?!
    What I am talking about are things that would be pretty easy to understand for anyone with any hint of philosophical nous and knowledge of the history of ideas. When I wrote it, which took me very little time though it may appear otherwise, I did assume you were ignorant and stupid, however, so it's quite alright if you don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seya View Post
    i think the cultural factor is much more important then the genetic factor. how can someone's color be more important then his language, religion (if applies), ideals, history, customs, traditions, morals? i don't find the logic...
    All that is the product of race and mentality associated with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woah View Post
    All that is the product of race and mentality associated with it.
    Are they? How do you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woah View Post
    All that is the product of race and mentality associated with it.
    You can't even define what is "race" in universal standarts. How can you claim that it shapes the mentality of people?

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