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Lol, this some Anonymous Addicts ring of TA? I ain't joining, would not wanna ruin my flawless reputation around here... j/k.
Though I'm curious about Mortimer's list of prescripted poison. Because that's often what it is, anti depressants are crap (IMO), but with his conditions he likely is on alot worse stuff. This is not ill intended Morti, but doctors don't always have your best in mind, many are careless and honestly don't give a damn about your life and well being. They care about their status and ego first and foremost. I'm afraid you're a trusting, or rather naive individual, in other words, an 'easy patient', or in my words, an easy victim.
They stopped performing surgical lobotomy in like what, the 80's? But no they never stopped, now it's just chemical lobotomy in pill form.
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No, I don't. Never did either.
My doctor always says during each check up, "Beautiful, happy, smart, and healthy as always."
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No, never. I've used adderal,vicodin and oxycontin recreationally though.
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Sorry, but I totally disagree with the condescending and judgemental and self-righteous comments of those who've never been hospitalised with severe clinical depression to the point they've stopped functioning and speaking to relatives and friends.
To the point where doctors treat those who would've self-harmed or committed suicide if they were left untreated without medication for their illness.
Clinical depression is not like normal depression where you can lift your mood, but due a lack of serotonin in the brain. You stop functioning and nothing can lift your mood and you feel confused and end-up being hospitalised for it.
Hospital wards are frightening places if you're classified as depressed and timid and nervous of people.... and suddenly you're on a ward full of loud and scary people shouting and throwing things around.
I was crying and shaking my head and pleading to a visiting home nurse the day before I was admitted to hospital that I didn't need to be in hospital and I insisted that I'd be fine and that I didn't want to go into hospital, but she persisted that if I didn't go into hospital voluntarily with a nurse the next day, then I'd be sectioned and would be forced into hospital. My weight had fallen low and I felt so weak by that point.
I pleaded with her to give me one day to prepare myself and pack my things which she let me have before they turned-up in a car to take me to the hospital the next evening. I was feeling petrified and trembling with shock and confusion upon arrival to the ward. It took me two weeks to settle in a bit and understand things more clearly, because at first I felt so lost and just couldn't understand why I was in hospital and I wondered if I was crazy or something.
Not much of a choice;- so I went voluntarily and quietly with them to stay in hospital, instead of being sectioned if I didn't go. The nurses said it's better to go to hospital voluntarily rather than have it recorded on your records as being sectioned. The doctors don't let people know when they'll be able to leave the place though and electric doors keep people inside the place.
Several years of taking anti-depressants daily has helped me to function so much - compared to how I was when I fell unwell before being treated and hospitalised for several months due to the severe level of depression I used to have.
I've seen some very sick people in hospital with all kinds of problems.... some of them were like crazy people when left untreated for their illness.
Doctors and psychologists force you to talk about really traumatic things in hospital, such as things that happened in your childhood, people you loved in relationships who suddenly died, etc, which can be stressful, distressing, and emotionally-draining to remember and talk about.
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As for painkillers.... try falling down the stairs like I accidentally did and breaking a spinal disc in four places that cuts into your nerves whenever you make the slightest movement, and prevents you from being unable to cough, move your neck, stand up, or walk, and gasping in pain whilst taking 30 minutes to slowly move in and out of bed, and being in a wheelchair for months before having an operation done, and then needing the occasional strong painkiller to cope with the pain afterwards.
I can run, skip, dance, and smile again now.... but sometimes I get shock pains like a sharp stabbing feeling in my lower back that causes me to catch my breath in pain, so I take the occasional prescribed painkillers a few times a year - only as a last resort when I require them.
I'm dependent on painkillers at times for relieving extreme pain - but I'm lucky enough not to be addicted to painkillers like some other unfortunate people are.
I take my medication responsibly and only occasionally as a last resort and I never abuse my dosage level. Same with my sleeping pills;- a small box of twenty low-dosage level sleeping pills will last me for an entire year as I only take a sleeping pill very occasionally (like with the painkillers) once a month or so, as a last resort if I can't sleep. I never misuse or abuse my medication dosage level.
I take antidepressant medication daily though and I certainly don't find that addictive either and I've found it easy to stop taking antidepressants in the past. I've never once heard of anyone ever being addicted to SSRI's and the medical info on the medication also states that it's non-addictive.
SSRI antidepressants aren't like highly-addictive tranquilisers, sedatives, barbiturates, and sleeping pills.
I was given a lot of boxes of different prescription painkillers upon leaving hospital after surgery to take for the following six weeks... but I reduced it and managed to stop taking it after 2-3 weeks and the doctor was quite impressed that I withdrew from the need of painkillers so soon after the operation - but I do require the occasional prescription pain relief pill sometimes.
How many people would have a surgical operation or a tooth extraction without ever taking an anaesthetic drug so that they don't feel any agonising pain during surgery?!
I'm relieved that I was knocked-out for a few hours with an anaesthetic while surgeons were cutting into me with surgical tools in my back to do an operation.
When people are in chronic pain after an injury or for some other medical reason, they'll take any medicine to relieve the pain.
Medical marijuana may be a better and more affordable alternative pain relief for people with less side-effects than the highly-addictive opiate-based painkillers.
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Many prescription painkiller addicts are what's known as being 'accidental addicts'. Many of the accidental addicts (including school teachers, builders who fell from a worksite, and sports coaches, etc,) report that they had a good life and were good citizens in society who said in documentaries and television interviews that they never took any drugs prior to having an injury one day that completely changed their lives - and were then prescribed strong opiate painkillers by doctors to block the pain receptors in the brain that they accidentally became addicted to - especially in the US where the high dosage levels of opiate-based painkillers there show reports of people taking 80mg daily for their pain relief.
My painkiller pill dosage is currently low at 5-10mg, and there's not as many painkiller addicts in the UK compared to the epidemic painkiller addiction problem in the US.
After time, the patients require higher and higher dosage levels of painkiller medication to get the same effect and pain-relief.
That's what happened to Michael Jackson after his severe back injury after a heavy crate fell down onto his back live on-stage, and then he became dependent on painkillers and sleeping pills to sleep. He ending-up paying private fee-charging doctors to give him an anaesthetic medication to make him sleep at night, and he went to fee-charging private clinics to be given injections of demerol, and took other pills in order to be able to dance and perform on stage without being in pain for his back and lupus health problem and vitiligo skin condition, that was revealed to the public by a British surgeon in a documentary who did a full autopsy examination on his dead body.
After the court trial hearing about Michael Jackson's cause of death, his very expensive fee-charging private doctor was sent to jail for two years.
Marilyn Monroe died from an overdose of barbiturates and was taking sleeping pills too.
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It could happen to anyone in life one day who could find themselves gasping in immense pain every day and night until they're given painkiller medication to relieve their symptoms.
My middle-class Spanish-English friend (who went to a good private school) suffers from hysterical attacks and depression and high anxiety levels, (so mental health has no class barriers in society, as the late Princess Diana was hospitalised for eating disorders and depression,) and my good friend's English mother paid thousands in money for her daughter to stay in the private and luxurious Priory Clinic in London that often treats supermodels and celebrities in there.
She said she's traumatised following a childhood rape by her Spanish father who's now in jail, and she said to me while she was staying in the free NHS hospital, that the previous private hospital she stayed in hasn't helped to treat her problems.
She said they try to keep people sick inside of the private fee-charging hospitals for longer, in order to make more money out of patients who are charged for each night and day that they stay in the very posh Priory Clinic that treats people with mental health problems or addiction problems requiring rehab therapy.
Whereas in the NHS-funded free hospitals, the doctors are often busy and in a hurry and try to treat people and get them out of hospital asap due to the shortage of beds for all the patients requiring free health treatment.
Another person I knew in hospital who had schizoprhenia giggled when he told people how he was taken under section of the Mental Health Act by paramedics to stay at the exclusive private Priory Clinic in North London (where Kate Moss and other stars have paid thousands in money to stay,) and he was able to stay there for free for one night (which the NHS (National Health Service)) funded for him when there was no available beds spare for him to be kept for emergency treatment in an NHS hospital, until a spare bed became available the next morning in an NHS hospital for him to be transferred from the expensive Priory Clinic.
The only difference with private hospitals is that you pay for a more luxurious room and can skip a long waiting list, and private fee-charging doctors are more likely to prescribe people with certain medications that they're willing to pay for.
NHS doctors (who receive a set annual salary each year) are more reluctant to prescribe people with expensive medications for free - unless it's essential that they absolutely require it for their medical problem - and will often keep the dosages as low as possible to prevent long-term addiction problems to expensive medications that's funded by the National Health Service.
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I never look down on people with an illness or who have an addiction and a dependence on prescribed medications for whatever medical condition they have. I feel sad for them having to rely on painkillers or developing an addiction problem. Some fee-charging private doctors in the US have been accused though of turning their patients into drug addicts.
If people get cancer, or have schizophrenia, or an injury, or any range of mental or physical problems.... most people will listen to the advice of the health experts, psychologists, therapists, psychiatrists, hospital specialists, and take the medications that are medically prescribed to treat them.
My grandmother was given morphine in hospital when she was terminally-ill with cancer. Who'd want to ever suffer in absolute agony and pain when there's humane medical relief available for patients?
Codeine made me vomit the pills back up anytime I tried to take it, and the morphine that nurses gave me in hospital on the night before my operation made my skin suddenly itch - to the point I was making my skin bleed from scratching that night - so I asked to be given an alternative medication due to the side-effects that I experienced from morphine and codeine.
Oxycodone painkillers have some side-effects (such as severe constipation) which require taking other medications (such as a lot of prescribed laxatives) to relieve the side-effects a bit sometimes... but being in agonising pain feels by far much worse than putting up with constipation and a bit of nausea occasionally - or the occasional side-effect of a mild headache (treated with a paracetamol) and slight tiredness sometimes from antidepressants feels less worse than being unmotivated and unwell with severe clinical depression.
I was given entonox (gas and air - aka 'laughing gas') by paramedics in an ambulance after my fall down the stairs and I was nervous of inhaling it at first - but the paramedics were telling me to breathe it in more deeply and they kept telling me in the ambulance to keep taking more gas. They said to me that it's great stuff and very useful for temporarily reducing the pain. It certainly does help a bit.
As for condescending, self-righteous and judgemental people...
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How would he be without his medication and what medical qualifications do you have to disagree with the professionals who are treating his medical problems?
I knew of a 16 year old who committed suicide - despite appearing happy and well on the surface. He bottled his feelings up and never seeked professional medical and expert treatment. Medication with counselling and CBT and psychology sessions could've saved him from self-harm and killing himself.
There's people who suffer from high anxiety and insomnia (doctors included) who take the occasional sleeping pill so they can function in the day.
Would you have an operation done or a tooth extracted without taking any pain relief medication and an anaesthetic?
If you ever have an accident and are in a severe level of absolutely agonising pain from an injury... would you still say, 'Oh no, I won't take any pain-relief medication' to the doctors and paramedics - even when you're screaming and crying in pain?
What about all the medications given to people with heart problems, diabetes, etc.... do you condemn them for taking prescribed medications given by doctors and experts for their medical symptoms too? Because those medications also have their side-effects.
Some medications can treat one problem but can give people another problem which requires other pills for the side-effects. Doctors are aware of this and will monitor peoples blood pressure and health and adjust the dosage and weigh-up the pros vs the cons of taking medication vs being left untreated.
If I wasn't medicated right now, I'd be listening to loads of gothic music and never smiling and would be in a very unresponsive and very depressive state. I was advised to take extra vitamin D too, along with my medication. 20mg had little effect on me, so that's why the doctor increased it to 40mg daily on advice of my CBT and PCP therapists and psychologist.
A psychiatrist has diagnosed me with Avoidance Personality Disorder (I avoid answering my phone, responding to people, avoid seeing people, avoid eating, etc, when I'm depressed)... and 'severe clinical depression' and occasional insomnia, along with some trauma (from things that happened that I don't wish to discuss.) I was removed from their care after a year of taking medication daily and they saw massive improvements, so my PCP therapist has said my therapy sessions with them will end soon. I've already completed a 12 week course of CBT therapy sessions.
I had Crisis Team medical workers and nurses visit me each day in my home for several weeks when I fell very ill to check if I'd taken my medication to sleep properly and to advise me not to exhaust myself with unrealistic goals and to stop me from doing too much cleaning work all the time and staying up late to do more obsessive cleaning, and to make sure I took my anti-depressant medication in front of them, and to check if I'd eaten after my weight fell low, before being hospitalised a few times for severe depression. I couldn't respond much to the people in hospital until my medication kicked-in a few weeks later.
I smile a lot now and feel positive about life, enjoy doing things again like my piano and dancing classes... even my music tastes have changed on my medication (I no longer listen to cynical and pessimistic doom and gloom gothic music all the time,)... I talk again with my relatives and friends, and feel much better on my medication along with weekly therapy sessions.
I don't experience many side-effects from SSRI anti-depressants and can do loads of activities whilst taking medication, even though it makes me feel a little drowsy and affects my concentration a bit. I've never been addicted to taking SSRI's though and can easily stop them, but I wouldn't just stop them again like I did in the past when I stopped taking them thining I could overcome the problem myself... and then quickly relapsed in a severe clinical depression - which is even worse to manage with. I know which is the worse of two evils.
Somedays are difficult and I can't talk or respond to people in emails or in posts, or to communicate with my friends and relatives, but that's usually because I can't concentrate on reading things or on what they're saying to me when I feel tired.
An illness of any type could happen to anyone in life ... whether they're a member of the Royal Family like Princess Diana had eating disorders and clinical depression and was hospitalised.... or a famous celebrity who has a breakdown in life.... or a famous artist with mental problems like Salvador Dali or Vincent Van Gogh.... a range of different physical or mental illnesses can affect anyone at any stage in life.
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