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Raine
I cite the historical consesus of ancient historians which you never read.
Anything which is written down qualifies as history. That is the definition of the word.
All you cite is outdated Anglo-Saxon revisionism and treat the history of Ancient Greece and Roman and Egyptisn as one big conspiracy were all part of a vast conspiracy theory of epic proportions to make up history.
You did not study Greek mythology because all the ancient Greek writers and histories said the myths were developed from histories and ancestor cults of real people and real events. They are no myths, they are dramatised history. I doubt you were ever read original Greek texts study such as Pausanius, Strabo or Herodotus.
Everything I wrote is substantiated by additional sources and backed up by archeology. Therefore these historical texts do not need "interpretation". Interpret what? They are not prophecies of Nostradamus or Mystic Meg.
Now why don't you go of and "interpret" the war of Independence of 1821. Can we interpret it as fictional and made up? Cadmus was a historical Greek king whose existence is testified to by Egyptians and all Greek and Latin scholars. If Cadmus did not exist then neither did William the Conqueror. If Cadmus did not exist then who built Mycenaean Thebes. Martians ? Some other kind of space aliens ? Since all of these events WERE documented it is you who cannot be taken seriously.
The Temple at Thasos was founded by Thasos the nephew of Cadmus the ruler of the island which was named after him. Herodotus based his works on those of historians that lived before him. It is clear from Herodotus and Apollodorus and all other Greek and Roman writers that Cadmus and Agenor were real historical persons. Herodotus state he is using other Historians accounts and names them and the civic records and official histories of the Greeks, Egyptians, Lydians and Persians which do not contradict each other.
Illyria became a Greek colony at the time when it was conquered by Cadmus in 1400 BC. Cadmus and Phoenix came from a family of Greeks who had conquered Egypt, and that Phoenix wasn't Phoenician or Canaite is also made clear by Philo in his translation of the history of Phoenicia (which is corroborated by the cuneiform Ras Sharma tablets) which calls them foreigners.
If you are disputing these facts you have to produce evidence to the contrary. All I need to do is quote the accepted historical texts. Nobody disputes this because it is written down in the history books and has not been contradicted by anything else.
You don't know anything about history and can't tell the difference between historical facts, which are what I present, from historically unsubstantiated speculation. The owness is upon you to substantiate your speculations when they contradict the written texts and historical facts.
You dispute Cadmus, Pelasgians, Homer, the historicity of Greek Gods, contrary to what every Ancient Greek historian has written. Homer has always been accepted as being historically accurate and Egyptian and Hittite inscriptions as well as Linear B inscriptions confirm all the facts laid down by Homer. There were Achaeans, there were Danaioi, there were Pelasgians, Teukrians, a Mycenae, an Amycale, a Melitus, a Lycia, an Ilium, an Odysseus, a Greek invasion of Egypt, a Proteus, an Aegyptus, an Epaphus, a Sarapis, an Agenor, and a Zeus, Dionysus, Poseidon, Athena, Hera.
Cadmus is considered to be historical person as are all Greek heros that historians have written about in the Heroic period and you are alone in questioning them with unsubstantiated claims like, oh but Cadmus, oh Homer wasn't real, like for what reason? It is you who are not real. Nobody questions Homer except racists and anti-Greek nationalists.
You have no historical facts to present to back up your claims because they are nothing more than fantastical speculation whereas I have over 3500 years of historical texts which back up what I haves said more or less to the letter. The main Greek tribes are all known to the Hittites and Egyptians.
Greek historical persons and places including Epaphus, Sarapis, Aegyptus, Odysseus, Tros, Erichthonius, Ilium, Mysia, Melitus, Myceneae and Amycale are known to the Hittites and Egyptians also. And even the Gods are named in Linear B inscriptions. Therefore you have no basis whatsoever to dispute them. Philological interpolations are being matched with existing historical accounts and both agree on the dates. There are historical accounts as well as archaeological and philological evidence.
The were scores of temples in every Greek city dedicated to their formed kings and founding ancestors. The Pelasgian quarter of Athens was still held sacred even at the time of Strabo. Why would people build a temple to celebrate a work of fiction and not jute one temple but scores of them
The moment you fail to reply to me by quoting or referring to ancient historical texts and is the moment you start making up science fiction stories. What you are interested in is not history but science fiction. I am not the one making claims without support. Look at all the university libraries. The all contain copies of Diodorus, Strabo, Pausanius, Monmouth and the rest in their history departments. Look the texts up on the Peseus website. Everything I have referred to as history.
Where are the works of your revisionist charlatans? NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. All the revisionist crap is treated and regarded as nothing more than literary criticism with no historical validity whatsoever and belongs in an Arts Department like White Godess by Robert Grave.
There is nothing more to say about ancient history except what the ancient historians wrote. Archaeology tells you nothing about history. It only tells you about material culture at specific dates. They are artefacts and nothing more than artefacts. Archaeologists are not there to make historical speculations. Look how the idiots named the so-called Minoan civilisation after King Minos when any real historian could have told them that the date for the start of Minos reign is given by historical manuscripts (Chronicon) as 1406 BC which is after the Minoan civilisation fell. Archaeologists are not historians, they're there to dig holes and catalogue what they find and nothing more. The are the last people anyone should talk to about history.
Again, I refer to an entire body of work of ancient historians in full context, you can read them at the Perseas site. Herodotus, Thucydides, Xenophon, Diodorus, Pausanius, Plutarch, Stabo, Dionysus, Livy, Caesar and Polybius...Go read them. They can be found in the history section of the library. The publications of the revisionists are nowhere to be found, except in the science fiction section.
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