Physical appearance of ancient Scythians

[Böri]

" turks" have never existed as an ethnicity In the true sense of the word.

Skythians were probably eastern European looking with some iranic admixture. Look wise they had nothing to do with brown antolian modern turks or Mongol looking turkic people in central Asia.

Stfu harem material. Stop envying, if you are like that can you imagine how your Muzzie counterparts are to corrupt us?

[The.Mask]

Stfu harem material. Stop envying, if you are like that can you imagine how your Muzzie counterparts are to corrupt us?

I can trace my ancestry to 700 years.

Harem of springs are in general modern brown anatolian turks such as you, where harem bastards from serbian, caucassian and slavic were thrown.

Don't link me to muzzies brown gypsy.

I dislike muzzies and also the very few muzzie albanians.

My comment represents a cold fact.

[ButlerKing]

Yes and it's confirmed by archaeological evidence, especially burials from early periods. But even later accounts support this. For example some Russian scripts describe physical appearance of Polovtsi (Cumans) as not much different from average Rus. Some Cumans could've blended among Rus perfectly if not for their nomadic clothes, weapons and different language.

Wrong. Russians never described Cumans as looking like Russians. Only the color of their hair they claim was light/or blond like however some even think it may not have necessarily do to with hair color.

I dare you to so show one script that described average russians and cumans looking the same.

[ButlerKing]

Incorrect. Q(-M378) is the sister haplogroup of R & "...connected with migrations of ancestral populations of the Indo-European language family."

https://www.academia.edu/5642170/Phy...ome_Sequencing

Haplogroup Q is the dominant marker of many Southeast Asian ethnic groups. Southeast Asian and Siberian Turks are both Mongoloid so it's Mongoloid.

Indians have only 2% haplogroup Q however is absent in many population.

[ButlerKing]

These reconstructions you using as evidence aren't valid. They were made by Gerasimov himself when he was still developing his methods. Many, if not all, were influenced by dominating views on ancestry of people in question.

For example reconstruction of Andrey Bogolubskiy done by Gerasimov shows a heavily Mongoloid influenced person while modern reconstruction leaves no room for any Mongoloid traits at all



It was noted in some works Gerasimov would deliberately alter his reconstructions to fit in current views and be accepted. In case of Bogolubskiy alterations were made based on information of his mother being Cuman princess so everyone expected her to be of Mongoloid stock. In reality even late Cumans were predominantly Europoid with light features.

Original Cumans were indeed of Mongoloid stock and Asian haplogroups are evidence in their populations.
". Nevertheless, the grave artifacts are typical of the Cumanian steppe culture; and five of the six skeletons that were complete enough for anthropometric analysis appeared Asian rather than European (Horváth 1978, 2001), "

CUMANS OF EUROPOID STOCK = LATE CUMANS

" The study concluded that the mitochondrial motifs of Cumans from Csengeleshow the genetic admixtures with other populations rather than the ultimate genetic origins of the founders of Cuman culture . The study further mentioned, "This may be the result of the habits of the Cumanian nomads. Horsemen of the steppes formed a political unit that was independent from their maternal descent or their language and became members of a tribal confederation. According to legends, Cumanians frequently carried off women from raided territories. So the maternal lineages of a large part of the group would reflect the maternal lineage of those populations that had geographic connection with Cumanians during their migrations "

[Shaco]

Interesting how close their folk costumes were to those found across Europe prior to modernization (Dacian costumes were identical btw and Greek costume very similar too). That kind of hat, for example, was also worn by Kelts and Tocharians and thus must also be part of traditional Aryan costume... Their original phenotype was a steppe version of Nordo-CM inherited from their "Indo-European" ancestors, which later got mixed with Siberian Mongoloid as they pushed eastwards and as latter recoiled into Scythian lands.

Bro, their costumes which you talk about are literally what the Persians wore. Look at their hats, shoes and the patterns on their clothings. Its EXACTLY what the Persians wore. Infact they look like typical Persian archers which Persians themselves drew

[Shaco]

We Turks were a good ethnicity until 200 years ago when losers started to flood our country from all sides. Now people call us bastards, the world is really such a witch place. Scythian were closest to Turks btw it cant be different story no way.

Scythians were NOT your ancestors. I come from the land which scythians/sarmatians called their home longer than mongols/turks crawled out of Mongolia. I have been to turkey, turks have always looked like brown middle eastern people, turks look like middle easterns in Europe and everywhere else in the world. Turks are what they are, a mix of mongols and middle easterners. You people are not the least bit related to scythians. Don't claim my culture

[StreetSweep]

Scythians were NOT your ancestors. I come from the land which scythians/sarmatians called their home longer than mongols/turks crawled out of Mongolia. I have been to turkey, turks have always looked like brown middle eastern people, turks look like middle easterns in Europe and everywhere else in the world. Turks are what they are, a mix of mongols and middle easterners. You people are not the least bit related to scythians. Don't claim my culture

Cool your jets, moron. Turks are indeed partly descended from Scythians, it is why they have so much R1a. In fact they are the closest living relatives of Scythians and Scythian-like tribes.

Haplogroup Q is the dominant marker of many Southeast Asian ethnic groups. Southeast Asian and Siberian Turks are both Mongoloid so it's Mongoloid.

Indians have only 2% haplogroup Q however is absent in many population.

Haplogroup Q cannot in any case be described as "Mongoloid"; it is a Y-DNA haplogroup. Those groups you mentioned with Q are Mongoloid because of their overwhelmingly East Eurasian autosomal DNA. Cumans did not have either, and so could never have been Mongoloid.

The Q in Turkic groups comes from Scythians who were not Mongoloid. Scythians had a high frequency of Q1a. Early Huns, Turkics, etc were mostly Scythian Y-DNA, i.e from Caucasoid males.

Anyhow, even the oldest Haplogroup Q sequence (Afontova Gora 2) is closer to West Eurasians than to East Asians (Qiaomei Fu, 2018) so that settles it. Haplogroup Q isn't Mongoloid. It spread to Turkics and other non-Indo European groups from Caucasoid men just like R1a did.

And yes, the Cumans were definitely blond haired Caucasoids from their inception. This should come as no surprise, really, as plenty of other Turks also were (Yenisei Kyrgyz for example).

[Decius]

Scythians were NOT your ancestors. I come from the land which scythians/sarmatians called their home longer than mongols/turks crawled out of Mongolia. I have been to turkey, turks have always looked like brown middle eastern people, turks look like middle easterns in Europe and everywhere else in the world. Turks are what they are, a mix of mongols and middle easterners. You people are not the least bit related to scythians. Don't claim my culture

Europeans are closest to scythians not Ossetians or Iranians

[Proto-Shaman]

Europeans are closest to scythians not Ossetians or Iranians

Actually they are 100000 times closer to Scythians than Europeans. Lol.