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    I-L621 is typical of the South Slavic populations of south-eastern Europe, being highest in Bosnia-Herzegovina (>50%) in Croats.[3] There is also a high concentration of I-L621 in north-east Romania and Moldova. Several groups have determined the common occurrence of this subclade in the South Slavic-speaking populations to be the result of "pre-Slavic" paleolithic settlement in the region. Peričić et al. for instance places its expansion to have occurred "not earlier than the YD to Holocene transition and not later than the early Neolithic”.[13][14][15] Decidedly, the Slavic population can be divided into two genetically distinct groups: one encompassing all Western-Slavic (Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, etc.), Eastern-Slavic (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.) and a few Southern-Slavic populations (north-western Croats and Slovenes), characterized by Haplogroup R1a, and one encompassing all remaining Southern Slavs (Serbs, Bosniaks, southern Croats, Montenegrins, Macedonians and Bulgarians) but also the non-Slavic Romanians, characterized by Haplogroup I2a1b2 (I-L621). According to Rebała et al., this phenomenon is explained by "contribution to the Y chromosomes of peoples who settled in the Balkan region before the Slavic expansion to the genetic heritage of Southern Slavs.[16] It is attributed to the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture in what is now modern day Ukraine, Romania and Moldova. L69/S163 - Removed from I in 2011 and IJK in 2012.[17]

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_I-M438
    http://www.nature.com

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    Man, I2a-din is a slavic marker

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    It has been already settled that marker is not native to region, is rather recent in Balkans via Slavs.

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    Most l621 people belong to cts 10228 which has a tmrca of 2000 years. Why would a bunch of eastern europeans and balkanians share a common ancestor 2000 years ago?
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    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...olithic-Balkan

    Highest variation in Ukraine, it busts the Goth theory through the window.

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    Last edited by Tschaikisten; 03-23-2017 at 07:37 PM. Reason: duplicate
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër View Post
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...olithic-Balkan

    Highest variation in Ukraine, it busts the Goth theory through the window.
    For me, Bastarnae are best candidates for pre-slavic I2a Din population (before mix with Slavs in Slavic ethnogenesis).
    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Croatian +50% Serbian @ 2.265001

    Quote Originally Posted by The Destroyer
    how come the age of I2a2 Din subclade exactly coincides with the age of Bosnian Pyramids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër View Post
    http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...olithic-Balkan

    Highest variation in Ukraine, it busts the Goth theory through the window.
    Actually in Poland (individuals belonging to transitional clades from Disles to Dinaric plus "proto-Dinaric" are all from Poland).
    You used to be quite supportive of this same theory a while ago IIRC.
    Quote Originally Posted by Europa Nazione View Post
    For me, Bastarnae are best candidates for pre-slavic I2a Din population (before mix with Slavs in Slavic ethnogenesis).
    Bastarnae were conglomeration of several different tribes (mainly east Germanic, but also other elements), so it doesn't seem very veracious. Theory from poreklo (that it originates from exiled young warriors (as a form of sacrifice) of Jastorf culture migrating to eastern Europe) is very illogical.

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    It's Slavic. If it were Germanic there would be Northwest European type of admixture in South Slavs but it seem to be lacking except perhaps in Slovenes, who are not so high in I2 anyway.

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